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		<title>By: frankhagan.com &#187; Interpol: No Tin Foil Hats Necessary</title>
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		<dc:creator>frankhagan.com &#187; Interpol: No Tin Foil Hats Necessary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nick Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/12/30/interpol-no-tin-foil-hats-necessary/comment-page-1/#comment-594032</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@kk
I&#039;m not sure InterPol has agents of it&#039;s own. As far as I can tell they do behind-the-scenes coordination stuff like issue international arrest warrants, but all the actual police stuff is done by national agencies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@kk<br />
I&#8217;m not sure InterPol has agents of it&#8217;s own. As far as I can tell they do behind-the-scenes coordination stuff like issue international arrest warrants, but all the actual police stuff is done by national agencies.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Hagan</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/12/30/interpol-no-tin-foil-hats-necessary/comment-page-1/#comment-593961</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Hagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rationale&#039; for including section 2 protections is that Interpol has offices in the US now.  The reason the 188 member countries supporting Interpol agree to this kind of protection is so that the investigations can go on unimpeded, and no country can raid Interpol&#039;s offices to &quot;spy&quot; on another country.  

The US has always cooperated with Interpol, and in fact the current Secretary General is an American.  (I forgot to put the link to Jake Tapper&#039;s article in the story; that will be fixed as soon as I post this, but for those this far down in the comments ... it is &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/12/just-what-did-president-obamas-executive-order-regarding-interpol-do.html&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rationale&#8217; for including section 2 protections is that Interpol has offices in the US now.  The reason the 188 member countries supporting Interpol agree to this kind of protection is so that the investigations can go on unimpeded, and no country can raid Interpol&#8217;s offices to &#8220;spy&#8221; on another country.  </p>
<p>The US has always cooperated with Interpol, and in fact the current Secretary General is an American.  (I forgot to put the link to Jake Tapper&#8217;s article in the story; that will be fixed as soon as I post this, but for those this far down in the comments &#8230; it is <a href="http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/12/just-what-did-president-obamas-executive-order-regarding-interpol-do.html">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: kranky kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kranky kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 02:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just meant agent in the sense of &quot;person who worked for in some capacity,&quot; an agent of. Not sure what they are called...officers, inspectors? Anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just meant agent in the sense of &#8220;person who worked for in some capacity,&#8221; an agent of. Not sure what they are called&#8230;officers, inspectors? Anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: WHQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>WHQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s an &quot;interpol agent&quot;?

captcha: the meddlers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s an &#8220;interpol agent&#8221;?</p>
<p>captcha: the meddlers</p>
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		<title>By: kranky kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kranky kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It makes sense to me that we would extend these protections to interpol agents, because they are foreign emissaries of a sort. Presumedly we extended these protections in return for cooperation we sought from interpol. 

If I were an interpol agent, I would want this sort of protection from potential harassment by domestic law enforcement officials, who are notorious for turf wars. Just as American agents would want similar protections when they were overseas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It makes sense to me that we would extend these protections to interpol agents, because they are foreign emissaries of a sort. Presumedly we extended these protections in return for cooperation we sought from interpol. </p>
<p>If I were an interpol agent, I would want this sort of protection from potential harassment by domestic law enforcement officials, who are notorious for turf wars. Just as American agents would want similar protections when they were overseas.</p>
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		<title>By: kranky kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kranky kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Presumedly interpol wanted this immunity extended to them in return for some sort of cooperation we sought from them. Treating interpol officials like foreign diplomats doesn&#039;t trouble me. They&#039;re a sort of foreign emissary.

There are good arguments for extending these sorts of exceptions to foreign emissaries, not the least of which is that we want them extended to US when we are foreign emissaries. If I were an interpol agent asked to come work in America and investigate international intrigue, I would definitely want some protection from being hassled by domestic law enforcement agencies, who might choose to toss sand in my gears for any number of reasons. So this makes sense to me,

Aluminum haberdashers, carry on. I am out. You don&#039;t need me to nurse this phantom grudge over the coming years. Add it to the list of reasons why Obama is  a proto-bolshevik, unrealistic dove pussy, unamerican socialist whatever. You&#039;re sick now. In seven years you&#039;ll be well again, and there will be work to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Presumedly interpol wanted this immunity extended to them in return for some sort of cooperation we sought from them. Treating interpol officials like foreign diplomats doesn&#8217;t trouble me. They&#8217;re a sort of foreign emissary.</p>
<p>There are good arguments for extending these sorts of exceptions to foreign emissaries, not the least of which is that we want them extended to US when we are foreign emissaries. If I were an interpol agent asked to come work in America and investigate international intrigue, I would definitely want some protection from being hassled by domestic law enforcement agencies, who might choose to toss sand in my gears for any number of reasons. So this makes sense to me,</p>
<p>Aluminum haberdashers, carry on. I am out. You don&#8217;t need me to nurse this phantom grudge over the coming years. Add it to the list of reasons why Obama is  a proto-bolshevik, unrealistic dove pussy, unamerican socialist whatever. You&#8217;re sick now. In seven years you&#8217;ll be well again, and there will be work to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Doomed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doomed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;except those provided by Section 2(c), Section 3, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that Act&quot; and the semicolon that immediately precedes them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
 
So what about 2c.

2 (c) 	Property and assets of international organizations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable.

7(b) Representatives of foreign governments in or to international organizations and officers and employees of such organizations shall be immune from suit and legal process relating to acts performed by them in their official capacity and falling within their functions as such representatives, officers, or employees except insofar as such immunity may be waived by the foreign government or international organization concerned.

Sec. 9.

    The privileges, exemptions, and immunities of international organizations and of their officers and employees, and members of their families, suites, and servants, provided for in this title, shall be granted notwithstanding the fact that the similar privileges, exemptions, and immunities granted to a foreign government, its officers, or employees, may be conditioned upon the existence of reciprocity by that foreign government: 

I dont know.  You tell me.  Section 7 and 9 were already in force.

Obama simply allowed section 2C to be included in the mix.

Im not a lawyer but you tell me.  I work for interpol.  Someone comes to my house and wants to search it....Am I immune or no?

I work for interpol.  I have files in my office at the justice department.  The government wants to see those.  I say no.  Can they take them?

Property Whereever located and by whomever held shall be immune.

But then I like a good conspiracy theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;except those provided by Section 2(c), Section 3, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that Act&#8221; and the semicolon that immediately precedes them.</p></blockquote>
<p>So what about 2c.</p>
<p>2 (c) 	Property and assets of international organizations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable.</p>
<p>7(b) Representatives of foreign governments in or to international organizations and officers and employees of such organizations shall be immune from suit and legal process relating to acts performed by them in their official capacity and falling within their functions as such representatives, officers, or employees except insofar as such immunity may be waived by the foreign government or international organization concerned.</p>
<p>Sec. 9.</p>
<p>    The privileges, exemptions, and immunities of international organizations and of their officers and employees, and members of their families, suites, and servants, provided for in this title, shall be granted notwithstanding the fact that the similar privileges, exemptions, and immunities granted to a foreign government, its officers, or employees, may be conditioned upon the existence of reciprocity by that foreign government: </p>
<p>I dont know.  You tell me.  Section 7 and 9 were already in force.</p>
<p>Obama simply allowed section 2C to be included in the mix.</p>
<p>Im not a lawyer but you tell me.  I work for interpol.  Someone comes to my house and wants to search it&#8230;.Am I immune or no?</p>
<p>I work for interpol.  I have files in my office at the justice department.  The government wants to see those.  I say no.  Can they take them?</p>
<p>Property Whereever located and by whomever held shall be immune.</p>
<p>But then I like a good conspiracy theory.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Hagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Hagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the &lt;em&gt;International&lt;/em&gt; Pacific Halibut Commission.  Makes me suspicious! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the <em>International</em> Pacific Halibut Commission.  Makes me suspicious! ;)</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
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		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right. As if we didn&#039;t know what the Pacific Halibut Commission is &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; all about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right. As if we didn&#8217;t know what the Pacific Halibut Commission is <i>really</i> all about.</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why I didn&#039;t waste any keystrokes anywhere on this one: the claim that it would enable INTERPOL agents to arrest and deport American citizens for prosecution overseas was clearly wrong. As was the claim that the exemptions would allow INTERPOL to withold evidence from the accused in America. 

But paranoia is so much more fun for wingers than facts....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why I didn&#8217;t waste any keystrokes anywhere on this one: the claim that it would enable INTERPOL agents to arrest and deport American citizens for prosecution overseas was clearly wrong. As was the claim that the exemptions would allow INTERPOL to withold evidence from the accused in America. </p>
<p>But paranoia is so much more fun for wingers than facts&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Donklephant » Blog Archive » Interpol: No Tin Foil Hats Necessary -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Justin Gardner, L. Green, Donklephant, topsy_top20k, topsy_top20k_en and others. topsy_top20k_en said: The truth about Obama&#039;s Interpol EO: The wingnuts may apologize now: http://bit.ly/4s2dpf [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Justin Gardner, L. Green, Donklephant, topsy_top20k, topsy_top20k_en and others. topsy_top20k_en said: The truth about Obama&#39;s Interpol EO: The wingnuts may apologize now: <a href="http://bit.ly/4s2dpf" >http://bit.ly/4s2dpf</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: WHQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>WHQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like I wasted a lot of off-topic keyboard strokes on another thread.  Hats off to you, Frank.  (Get it?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like I wasted a lot of off-topic keyboard strokes on another thread.  Hats off to you, Frank.  (Get it?)</p>
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