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	<title>Comments on: What Does It Mean to be Independent? (Hint: No Machine Politics Here!)</title>
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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
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		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;...that Independent Voters of Illinois is part of the Daley machine (no surprise there)&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

True.  Of course, our&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=does_rahm_emanuels_pick_mean_the_chicago_machine_is_coming_to_washington&quot;&gt; beloved president and his two closest advisers (Axelrod and Emanuel)&lt;/a&gt; were/are also part of the Daley machine. But then, that is no surprise either. 

I dithered about that &quot;were/are&quot;. But it&#039;s like the mafia. Once you are made man, you don&#039;t get to quit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;&#8230;that Independent Voters of Illinois is part of the Daley machine (no surprise there)&#8221;</i></p></blockquote>
<p>True.  Of course, our<a href="http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=does_rahm_emanuels_pick_mean_the_chicago_machine_is_coming_to_washington"> beloved president and his two closest advisers (Axelrod and Emanuel)</a> were/are also part of the Daley machine. But then, that is no surprise either. </p>
<p>I dithered about that &#8220;were/are&#8221;. But it&#8217;s like the mafia. Once you are made man, you don&#8217;t get to quit.</p>
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		<title>By: kranky kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kranky kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not surprising to me that more independents identify as conservatives. I betcha if they were asked why, the one-word answer would be spending.

There&#039;s one silly thing about giving this trend much weight though. Independents, real ones anyway, are more likely to vote for the candidate and not the ideology.

Right now, I ID more strongly with conservatives because they are the only ones speaking to the issue that concerns me most, dangerously high levels of deficit spending. But I&#039;ll still vote in any given election for the candidate thatI think is most capable of doing the job they are seeking.

For example, we&#039;re going to have our election to replace Sen. Kennedy soon. Martha Coakley is a fairly liberal democrat running against the GOP&#039;s Scott Brown, who is mouthing the right things about spending. But Coakley seems to have a good grasp of various issues and feels  shrewd and sensible. Meanwhile Brown feels to me like something of a wide-eyed dope who would be a little bit out of his league as a Senator. He gives me every reason to think that as a Senator, he&#039;d be an obedient follower of party leaders and not an independent thinker determined to put our state first as a senator.

So if I bother to vote, it&#039;s gotta be Coakley. I doubt I will bother though. Brown is going to get pounded like a tent stake when the votes are counted. The only question in my mind is whether Brown can get into the 45% range.

I know folks like instapundit have been doing their share to plump Brown, and I have nothing against GOP optimists hoping for the upset. So if you&#039;ve talked yourself into Brown, I wish you the best, but we have nothing to debate. You have to be from around here to understand what a bad joke the MA state GOP is these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not surprising to me that more independents identify as conservatives. I betcha if they were asked why, the one-word answer would be spending.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s one silly thing about giving this trend much weight though. Independents, real ones anyway, are more likely to vote for the candidate and not the ideology.</p>
<p>Right now, I ID more strongly with conservatives because they are the only ones speaking to the issue that concerns me most, dangerously high levels of deficit spending. But I&#8217;ll still vote in any given election for the candidate thatI think is most capable of doing the job they are seeking.</p>
<p>For example, we&#8217;re going to have our election to replace Sen. Kennedy soon. Martha Coakley is a fairly liberal democrat running against the GOP&#8217;s Scott Brown, who is mouthing the right things about spending. But Coakley seems to have a good grasp of various issues and feels  shrewd and sensible. Meanwhile Brown feels to me like something of a wide-eyed dope who would be a little bit out of his league as a Senator. He gives me every reason to think that as a Senator, he&#8217;d be an obedient follower of party leaders and not an independent thinker determined to put our state first as a senator.</p>
<p>So if I bother to vote, it&#8217;s gotta be Coakley. I doubt I will bother though. Brown is going to get pounded like a tent stake when the votes are counted. The only question in my mind is whether Brown can get into the 45% range.</p>
<p>I know folks like instapundit have been doing their share to plump Brown, and I have nothing against GOP optimists hoping for the upset. So if you&#8217;ve talked yourself into Brown, I wish you the best, but we have nothing to debate. You have to be from around here to understand what a bad joke the MA state GOP is these days.</p>
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