But this group of gopers sticks with the lie to the very end.
Its hard to believe people back that group.

I know I am being repetitive, but where, exactly, did I say the GOP was responsible for obsructing the bill? Where? No where. I did not accuse them of obstructing. I accused them of LYING. I accuse them of inciting people to action for the wrong reasons.

I don’t care a whit about obstructing. I agree with you; the Dems being a big tent cannot get their members to agree on it. OK?

My objection to the GOP is they LIE about everything. And I am not talking about the many good points brought up in this thread regarding the pointlessness of the CBO report.

I am talking about the hateful, evil rhetoric that comes spilling from the right about everything that incites the tea party nuts (not all tea partiers are nuts) to do things like SPIT on members of congress, call them N*GGERS, kill doctors who perform abortions, fly planes into federal buildings.

My problem is that the right is not interested in an honest debate; an honest debate that might have made this a better bill. They are interested in defeating the bill because it will get their party back in power so they can hypocritically spend money like drunk sailers, laugh at the notion of bipartisanship, and gorge themselves off of lobbyists dollars and ignore the ethical lapses of their own members

Though to be sure, Part D came in under the budget estimates. But CBO was nowhere close, and it’s the ONLY entitlement that EVER came in under estimate instead of wildly over.

CBO earlier noted that being bound by the rules of their office in estimates had forced them to double-count much of the Medicare ‘savings,” a warning that still applies. The current so-called Medicare “savings” total about $525 billion over ten years, of which roughly $400B is double-counted. Since we can be pretty sure that those cuts will never be enacted (largely because Pelosi and Reid themselves have said they will not) you can tack on $925B right off the bat, doubling the cost right out of the gate.

Or we can assume those cuts will be made, in which case roughly half of the providers currently taking Medicare will cease doing so. That’ll cheer seniors up, won’t it?

Also not mentioned is the cost of the unfunded mandates on state governments and the private sector, which are likely to be AT LEAST as much as the cost of the bill itself. For Tennessee alone the first-year cost of that is $750 million. That’s before they get to SCHIP. Caterpillar Corp figures that they alone will lose $100M/yr to the mandates.

START OVER. DO IT RIGHT.

You had better believe the Dems will take it on the chin for this lousy bill as well as the bribes, backroom deals, and rule-bending they’re doing to pass it. Plus, the average person is smarter than a liberal, so they understand that the #’s are a joke based on tricks, gimmicks, and rosy estimates that will NEVER happen. Oh, and is anyone gullilble enough to believe that Congress will have the guts to follow through on cutting Medicare by $500 billion? Bye-bye savings……

First 10 years of the plan:

-$1 Trillion – > Cost of the plan
+$0.5 Trillion – > Savings from medicare and other cuts
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=$0.13 Trillion -> Reduction of the deficit???

The math simply doesn’t add up…..unless you RAISE TAXES BY $630,000,000,000 DOLLARS!!

If this is really about redicing the deficit, why not just make the $500B in cuts, raies $630B in taxes, and then cut the deficit by over $1T????

Don’t just take these sleezy politicions numbers as the gospel and believe what they say. Think about it a little. Be open minded and use common sense. Do not be governed by your emotions….i.e. you think HC needs fixing and any old plan will work and anything that supports that is great.

Exit question: when is the last time a CBO report was anywhere near the real cost on major entitlement programs? Answer: never, not even on Medicare Part D UNDER BUSH. Be careful what you wish for people.

Finally, we’re somehow going to pay for insurance for 30 million people and somehow that’s going to bring the deficit down? How does that work? Seriously this defies common sense.

Oh but wait……it gets better…..

This is WHATS BEST FOR AMERICA………….sorta like GOING TO WAR IN IRAQ was best for America.

Oh but really…..this is best for America……it will save us money…..Really…..it will.

REALLY…the war will PAY FOR ITSELF….REALLY…….would we lie to you?

Would we?

thus, all of the savings are phony as was the promise not to provide care to illegal aliens.

In the end, the program will be a failure and will be used as an excuse to nationalize health care.

Why would anyone want to plan on having a career in health care when facing massive cuts. Everyone should start planning on a job with the government because that is the only place where the middle class will be able to have a good paying job.

Yeah, if these slices really happen. I don’t believe that the lower mandated reimbursements to medicare providers will really happen.

Hopefully someone will keep track of whether these savings actually materialize.

I also think it’s dishonest to begin collecting extra revenue now for components that don’t kick in until 2013, and then include all that extra revenue when doing the accounting. What matters is whether the new plan really will be a cost saver on an annual pay-go basis. The gov’t is using the kind of accounting that any ranting whacko progressive would crucify an evil corporation for using.

….given the details of the bill, it’ll be hard to argue that this is a) a government take over of health care, b) adds to our deficit or c) represents something that will interrupt or upset our health care delivery in any way.

It’s hard to argue that….why? Because the facts don’t align with the GP rhetoric? When has that ever stopped the GOP before. Invade Irad because they had something to do with 9-11? WMD? Opposing pork? Smaller government? Death panels? Socialized medicine and get your hands of my medicare? We need to fix the banks, but then Sen Shelby is telling everyone who will listen that the GOP will scuttle any plan that reigns in banking and Rep Boehner is hanging out with bankers giving them a pep talk on killing reform.

Please.

The GOP is absolutely shameless. Truth means nothing to it.

Even Richard Nixon is rolling over in his grave….