Here You Go, Donald!

By Tully | Related entries in News

Yes, I’ve had posting privileges here for years but have not had the time or reason to create posts. But hey, here’s something for Donald Trump and the Bellowing Birthers, fresh and hot from the White House:

Obama’s Original Long Form Birth Registration

Enjoy.


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15 Responses to “Here You Go, Donald!”

  1. dmf Says:

    like it will matter.

  2. kranky kritter Says:

    What a shame.

  3. michael mcEachran Says:

    Trump is spinning it to his benefit, and I think in the short run, it worked – at least with the conservative base and maybe even some independents. Trump is unabashedly taking credit for forcing the president’s hand and therefore”putting an end to it”. It’s an interesting bit if judo. He’ll obviously abandon the issue now that he has all the attention.

    Trump’s message that the rest of world is ripping us off is resonating. He is beneifitting from the decline of the US as the largest economy, combinted with our history as the worlds police and benefactor. The counrty feels ripped off and taken for granted. Many may just want a greedy egomaniac and shameless self promoter to help us regain an edge. Stay tuned…

  4. Tully Says:

    said it before and will repeat often. trump is not serious. he’s a stalking horse, getting free publicity for himself while also shock-testing issues for someone. question is who’s he doing the stalking FOR?

  5. michael mcEachran Says:

    Here’s a comment from a reader on the FOX News web coverage of this story. It says it all:

    “good job trump..but im not voting for the NIG GER no matter what he shows ”

    Nuf said

  6. kranky kritter Says:

    I totally buy the stalking horse hypothesis: focus testing on a variety of issues. I agree that the schtick which involves blaming other countries such as China and Saudi Arabia is going to play quite well. #1, it’s the next stage in distracting attention away from Wall Street’s culpability. And #2, it helps angry Americans focus their “problem-solving” attention on external targets. Take this to the bank: there is a huge constituency, one that crosses all partisan lines, which wants to hear an optimist say this:

    • None of this was YOUR fault.
    • YOU have suffered enough already.
    • YOU should not be asked to sacrifice.
    • IF I am elected, I won’t ask to YOU suffer more.
    • I’ll make things right by punishing the foreigners who deserve it.

    This calls attention to a useful reason to pay attention to what Trump is doing…he’s establishing what material will go into the routine of the eventual GOP contender. So I propose we watch Trump and keep a running list of whatever things he says that find resonance with the public.

    Bear in mind, it doesn’t matter at this point whether his ideas are useful or prescriptive, because he’s not going to be the nominee. For example, Trump is as much as saying we should ORDER the Saudis not to raise gas prices. And he’s suggesting we’re in a position where we can dictate trade and currency terms to China. And that’s a foolish overestimation of American power. It’s preposterously unrealistic, and would likely lead to exposing our weakest spots in relation to other nations with much sounder surplus economies. That won’t matter right now.

    The eventual nominee will try to hit these popular points, but with a vague and evasive pivot that sounds responsible and statesmanlike, but tough. Based of course on a resolute refusal to explain how we can force the Saudis or the Chinese to act in our best interests instead of their own. While of course insisting that it can be easily done, simply by showing “more resolve” than Barack Obama. That will be the play.

  7. michael mcEachran Says:

    @ KK – Agree 100%. Although, I think Trump’s ego precludes him from working on anyone’s else’s behalf consciously. The effect of his presense may be that his meme’s get “shock tested” which will surely, eventually benefit a more serious candidate, but no way in hell did he enter into a bargain like. Not with that ego.

    The fact is – even this quasi-centrist liberal (me) feels a bit like the US has been ripped off and taken for granted. Obama is going to have to convince a large swath of skeptical Americans that diplomacy and teamwork is more likely to advance our cause than bullying. As the Chinese economy (read world’s biggest bully) overtakes us, that may be a hard sell. Remember, the next president, whoever it is, has the dubious honor of serving as we lose our spot as the world’s most powerful. That aint gonna go over well…

  8. kranky kritter Says:

    Ripped off and taken for granted by who?

    I have a hard time believing that, at least in the context of “and that’s why America is in the fix it’s in.”

    As a nation we have been consuming WAY more than we have been producing for about two generations now, if you call a generation 20 years. And let’s face it, no one was twisting our arms, unless you call buying our treasury notes and selling us cheap crap on credit arm-twisting.

    We can both be patriots and love our country, and we can be fiercely proud of how America tends to its various interests. And we can do that without insisting that America is the only nation that is right to look out for its own interests. At least in my mind, there’s a big difference between any nation looking out for its own interests and forcing other nations to do as it wishes.

    Are we so simple-minded and so tunnel-visioned in our patriotism to think that we must believe that our many actions in relation to other countries were undertaken primarily out of benevolence? Concurrently, must we also presume that other nations’ actions in relation to us are far more malicious in kind than our own actions? Leaving aside the obvious bad actors for which that’s true, I think we’re better off assuming that most nations by and large act under the aegis of some perception of semi-enlightened national self-interest. YMMV.

    Obama is going to have to convince a large swath of skeptical Americans that diplomacy and teamwork is more likely to advance our cause than bullying. As the Chinese economy (read world’s biggest bully) overtakes us, that may be a hard sell.

    Well, the efficacy of bullying is closely related to the actual ability to bully. So at minimum, whoever suggests that America ought to force other nations to knuckle under to America’s needs must explain precisely HOW they imagine that’s going to be achieved. [And that all leaves aside the actual, you know, rectitude of bullying.] So, what’s in the toolbox? There’s our unparalleled military might, of course. Are we going to use that? Do we really think that we can, say, threaten to stop propping up the Saudis if they don’t give us better oil prices? Seems to me we’d pretty quickly run into the problem of how we’ve been propping them up, um, for our own good..

    Is there any scenario for America forcing lower fuel prices that doesn’t run into the basic issue of supply and demand, or do we think we can just re-write those rules as we see fit?

    What about our conceivable financial might? I am sure mileage varies quite widely as to how much of this we retain. But surely most sane folks would agree that our primacy is, if not past, substantially diminished. I don’t think we’re anywhere near being without power and influence, but there are plenty of capitalists around the rest of the world who have satisfied themselves that they don’t need America the way they used to.

    Remember, the next president, whoever it is, has the dubious honor of serving as we lose our spot as the world’s most powerful. That aint gonna go over well.

    In general, I am in accord with the notion that the next two decades are going to bring about what we can kindly call “a reorienting of expectations.” But will this Great Fraying, if it occurs, be so rapid or so complete that, as you imply, we’ll be just one of the guys within 2 to 6 years? I have my doubts about that.

    Financially speaking, China does not, at this point, seem settled on a viable exit strategy to being our creditor. When it comes to the dollar, it seems to be the worst haven except for all the others. Sort of like how democracy is the worst form of government except all others. Frankly, I think anyone sane has to wonder how the rest of the world can possibly find the balls and the organization and the unity to move to a new reserve currency. Without devouring itself. Again it’s not that the dollar lacks troublesome issues. It’s that the rest of the world has to find an orderly way to agree on something else. That’s where our durability lies, in the comparable greed and political ineptitude of the rest of the world.

    The rest of the world can definitely provide us with myriad negative consequences for our ongoing financial foolhardiness, But they are bounded by the ways in which we are all entangled. For better or for worse.

    But to me the bottom line is this: One of our greatest problems is that most Americans continue to prefer to look at the issues we now face in terms of what each of us thinks we deserve. And IMO that’s extremely naive. Politicians WILL pander to this, and to our egotistical sense of America’s enduring manifest destiny as a shining beacon of opportunity, success, freedom, and whatever other virtues you want to toss onto the bullshit pile.

    The rude awakening for all of us is that hope is not a plan, no matter which party or pol is selling “our best days lie ahead.” Over the coming decades, what we think we deserve is not going to matter that much. We won’t GET what we believe we deserve, we’ll get what we have the resources to provide. That’s the math of it.

    Now, we may be able to fool ourselves for another election or two that we can get all that we think we deserve solely on the wings of American exceptionalism: hope, a positive attitude, etc etc. We sure want to buy that, so our putative leaders will just as surely try to sell it. But the actual outcome for America is going to rest on choices and consequences. We are going to get what we REALLY choose by our actual fiscal policies and national actions, not what we THINK we are choosing by voting for whoever talks purtiest.

    I’ll say it again: deserve’s got nothing to do with it. We’ll get what we have the resources to provide. That’s the math of it.

  9. Jane Cooper Says:

    That was stupid what Trump did, even if Obama would be from Kenia than US agencies would prepare fake birth certificate and noone would know about it.

  10. Nick Benjamin Says:

    @kk
    In general I agree, but I think you’ve got the wrong idea about our relationship with the Saudis.

    We don’t prop them up. We buy their oil, they buy our guns. We can’t stop buying their oil, and if we stopped selling them guns they’d just buy from the Russians or Brits.

  11. kranky kritter Says:

    Yes, you’re right, it’s not that we’re propping them upper se actively now so much as we’ve helped them to become formidable to the point of invulnerability, at least until the oil stops flowing. We’ve armed them. We’ll never know the extent to which we are or are not “propping them” unless and until there’s some sort of revolt. Probably unlikely given how tight an iron fist they’ve crafted with our help.

    Not that I’m comparing the lot of the average Saudi to the average Libyan or Syrian. My point, then and now is that we’re not actually in any sort of position to demand that the Saudis do our bidding on oil prices.

    In other words, Trump’s suggestion is preposterous. He’s living in the past.

  12. Nick Benjamin Says:

    @kk
    Trump’s not living in the past. He’s living in a total fantasy world.

    Remember South Vietnam? In all of US history there has not been an “ally” of ours that was so dependent on us. That did not readily translate into the kind of clout Trump’s talking about.

    First we replaced the Emperor with Diem. Then Diem went mad with power and started oppressing the Buddhist majority of the country. We asked him to stop, and he responded by sending his own brother and the best soldiers we’d trained for him to raid Buddhist pagodas.

    We responded to that by approving a coup (technically we failed to disapprove of it, but hey). In the next year two guys and a “Provisional Leadership Committee” repeatedly couped each other, despite the fact that we needed stability to fight the commies.

    And that’s a country we could have destroyed with a simple press release. But they knew we couldn’t, so they ignored us.

    Kinda like the Saudis know we won’t invade them, and the Chinese know we can’t afford to stop buying their crap.

  13. gerryf Says:

    There seems to be some weird impression here that the Saudis can do anything about the price of oil.

    Nonsense.

    This is not a supply and demand problem. This is a speculation problem brought on by deregulation (commodities futures modernizationa act) and too much money with nowhere to invest it (along with a lax fed quantitative easing policy).

    Commodities trading has become the bad joke of the investment world (and the joke is on us). Put down 5 percent of the price for a barrel of oil and sell it three times over without ever taking actual possession. It’s crazy. It’s dangerous. It’s driving up the cost of oil far beyond what supply and demand dictates.

    Despite his leaving office almost 10 years ago, Phil Gramm is the gift that just keeps giving to the wealthy elite. It’s amazing what damage that corrupt little weasel accomplished in his time in office (yeah, and shame on Clinton and Bush and every other elected official for not paying attention).

  14. Tillyosu Says:

    I wonder gerryf, what is your basis for this conclusion?

  15. Tully Says:

    Someone needs a remedial course in economics, including exposure to the concepts of demand inelasticity and market operations.

    One thing is right though. “…too much money with nowhere to invest it (along with a lax fed quantitative easing policy)” does indeed play a part. That can be found in the course under the parts on commodity inflation and currency devaluation.

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