The Race For Vice President

By Jennn Fusion | Related entries in Elections, Republicans, Veep

Herman Cain

Election Season is an exciting time to cover politics, especially when you look at all the limelight players shifting in the winds. It may be subtle, but people who want to be involved in the next White House Administration on some level must be making bold moves to capture the national spotlight right now. They don’t want to “look like they want it,” but let’s face it: being asked to run on the Republican ticket would be a huge honor to anyone in politics.

On Friday, I took a look at who DOES and DOESN’T want to be the Republican VP nominee in Running Mate Roundup. (You won’t believe what Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich said this week!)

I also have a piece for you: A Closer Look At VP Prospect Herman Cain. (Learn more about Cain’s business acumen and educational background, as well as the shocking story about how he first became involved in politics!)

And if you love polls and history, check out this week’s VEEP Poll: Which VP Had The Hottest Wife? (Don’t forget to vote for your favorite on our Facebook page! PS… You can also read a few neat stories about the VP’s wives.)

 

 


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14 Responses to “The Race For Vice President”

  1. Jacob Says:

    Jennn: What’s up with the “entertainment tonight” approach to political blogging?

    All exclamation points and tabloid questions begging us to click on links.

    Perhaps I’m old fashioned but I find it lacks depth.

    And even though he doesn’t have be such a douche about it, I can’t deny Tillyosu makes a point.

  2. cranky critter Says:

    The ticket’ll be Romney-Cain, You heard it here first. LOL.

    Wickedly uninteresting topic. VPs don’t matter. They just don’t.

    Til was 100% on the mark. I think maybe he did have to be a douche, since you’re persisting on a topic that not only doesn’t matter, but isn’t even ripe for speculation yet. If your plan is to corner the market on the topic by being 7 months ahead of the curve, at least pick one that’s worthwhile.

  3. theWord Says:

    @Kranky

    “VPs don’t matter. They just don’t.”

    I’d say Palin helped tank McCain. Only time I can remember when numerous Republican pundits said, “No, this one is even a bridge too far for us.”

  4. cranky critter Says:

    It’s a fair general point that a disastrous choice could conceivably harm your effort, even if an awesome choice doesn’t matter much.

    But I’ve never seen any sort of conclusive evidence that Palin harmed McCain. She gave him a big initial bump. After that? Obama ran a great campaign that matched the public mood of folks tired of the GOP, their two wars, and an epic financial collapse.

  5. theWord Says:

    I think the VP choice shows that you either are or aren’t serious about the job. I don’t think Ford, Bush 1, Cheney to Republicans was a non-serious choice nor were Gore or Biden. Palin on the other side. Palin on the other hand was a desperate, “we have one with a vagina play” to try to divide Hillary supporters. Most saw right though it and when your own party does, I think it is very damaging to your credibility, especially when every time she opened her mouth she reminded people how reckless it was. The fact that a half black man won the Presidency was something that felt hopeful at the time but based on where we have been since, I think it had a lot more to do with “Oh my God, No!” on the other side than I would have liked to think.

    You ended with the public mood of folks tired of the GOP, their two wars, and an epic financial collapse. How does one logically explain an immediate return (with zero policy changes) to those same people almost immediately then?

  6. cranky critter Says:

    You wanna insist that Palin caused McCain’s loss and Obama’s win? I have no motive to dissuade you. I just think your argument is weak and unsupported by anything but anecdotes. Believe what makes you happy.

    How does one logically explain an immediate return (with zero policy changes) to those same people almost immediately then?

    Well, I’m not predicting it right now. But it would be very very easy to understand and explain. Returning the GOP to power would simply be a manifestation of dissatisfaction with their replacements, plain and simple. You may wish to whine that lack sufficient logic, but public perception has its own logic. Expecting that logic to match yours is a fool’s errand.

  7. Tully Says:

    The soundest argument that Palin hurt McCain is actually that a “better” choice would have helped him more. Which is not really the same argument as Palin hurting him. Hurt him with whom, and at what cost in the overall electorate, namely the swing voters acquired versus the base voters lost? Veep choices are almost always about appealing to that part of the party that feels marginalized about not getting THEIR choice in the top slot. McCain was widely viewed in the party as marginally centrist and RINO, so it’s tough to see which other choice would have been all that helpful in firing up and retaining those farther right without alienating even larger parts of the indie middle.

    Amen on the last para there, CC. Presidential elections tend to be more a vote of confidence (or not) in the current admin/direction than a positive vote for the challenging side. And that applies even when no incumbent is on the slate.

  8. theWord Says:

    @Cranky appreciate the gross oversimplification. I didn’t say she caused the loss or the win, What I said was that IMO she did him harm. I’d have thought long and hard about voting for Obama if he had picked such a person.

    Anyone who thought the economy could be turned around in two years isn’t worthy of voting. Had the Republicans ran on a platform of boy did we blow it but we learned and we NOW have better ideas than this guy would have had an argument to be weighed in the balance. Since they have offered no new ideas, hard to imagine how that makes sense. To quote someone I just think your argument is weak and unsupported by anything but anecdotes. Believe what makes you happy.

    One smarmy response makes me remember why I rarely visit anymore.

  9. cranky critter Says:

    I’m with Tully on this. Who can we imagine that would have helped McCain more? I don’t see it. He was a weak candidate with lukewarm support from his own party at a time when public sentiment was trending strongly for a new direction.

    Sorry you found my reply “smarmy.” As you may not recall, I am not a Palin supporter, and still presently plan to vote for Obama a 2nd time, although he could still lose my meaningless vote.

    Not sure which argument of mine you think is weak. Polling data showed that Palin helped McCain with the base. She may have harmed him somewhat with independents, but as Tully points out, it’s an “on balance” calculation. To me, the relevant question is whether her presence as VP was decisive for varying groups of voters, and if so, how and with whom.

    My sense (admittedly anecdotal) is that folks most likely to say she harmed the McCain ticket are those who would never have voted for McCain over Obama under any circumstances. For all voters for who P(McCain vote) was already = 0, mathematically the Palin choice had no real effect.

    That’s a somewhat different thing from claiming her choice didn’t aggravate and upset some voters. It certainly did do that. I’m focusing on whether it actually served to change any votes, and whether the net change was positive or negative.

  10. Jade Says:

    I don’t know, what will be will be. I just hope that they’ll do everything they’ve promised. Politics is such a dirty game; I never liked it in the first place. I think I’ll go with him, give it a shot maybe.

  11. Jennn Fusion Says:

    Jacob – I agree wholeheartedly with your point, but I’m posting on Donklephant pro bono! I really appreciate the agreement I have with Donklephant to cross-promote. Although, the VicePresidents.com blog / Facebook page is my “bread and butter,” which is why the meat of my posts are there and just a brief summary is here. I suppose I could technically re-post all here, but I want people to check out the blog too!

  12. Jennn Fusion Says:

    And besides… I could easily fill this entire blog up with a ton of VP-related posts, but Donklephant is a blog about all things politics, so I think it’s a courtesy that I don’t download everything on multiple posts and just summarize briefly. ;)

  13. cranky critter Says:

    So you really and truly ARE trying to set up a squat on the VP beat? Is that some sort of a punchline to a joke about how lame vice presidents are?

  14. Jennn Fusion Says:

    Aw, I like the vice presidents. They’re like the little brothers growing up in their cooler, smarter, better-looking, more athletic older brothers’ shadows, dreaming of greatness. Most people tend to forget about the #2s, but every election cycle it becomes a hot topic again. I think it’s a really neat way to watch the election… you get to see all the subtle nuances of the governors, senators and other political players who want to position themselves for a nod in the next administration. You also get to look at the dynamic synergy between different tickets, which is as good a study in psychology as anything! Luckily we have had some VERY colorful VPs lately… never a dull moment with Biden or Cheney! I’d hate to have been following Gore!

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