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	<title>Comments on: Sam Harris, A Liberal, Asks:  Do Liberals Have Their Heads in the Sand, or Someplace Darker?</title>
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		<title>By: Mikkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to echo my comment on the thread above -- economic/educational success isn&#039;t the cure to get rid of radical Islam as an inordinate amount of (international) terrorists are very well educated and normally well off. However, I do think economic issues are key to how the masses think. It is the masses that we should worry about because a) some of them will radicalize but most importantly b) their loyalties are conflicted and that gives the radical elements shelter. Sure there might be tens of millions of zealots, but the region has hundreds of millions of people. As it stands now, the vast majority of people don&#039;t know who to trust. They know they can&#039;t trust the radicals but don&#039;t think they can trust the West either -- and it&#039;s the radicals that are going around killing them for disagreeing. The risk/reward ratio isn&#039;t nearly strong enough for them to risk their lives, but if the option was between toiling in poverty and hardship or being prosperous, and all they have to do is stand up against the extremists, we would gain many allies. I think Liberals have done a terrible job of making the conversation be about the motives of the terrorists and extremists instead of about creating a wedge. When I look back on Nazi Germany that is the parallel that is clearest to me: the majority feels trapped by external forces and doesn&#039;t stand up until it&#039;s too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to echo my comment on the thread above &#8212; economic/educational success isn&#8217;t the cure to get rid of radical Islam as an inordinate amount of (international) terrorists are very well educated and normally well off. However, I do think economic issues are key to how the masses think. It is the masses that we should worry about because a) some of them will radicalize but most importantly b) their loyalties are conflicted and that gives the radical elements shelter. Sure there might be tens of millions of zealots, but the region has hundreds of millions of people. As it stands now, the vast majority of people don&#8217;t know who to trust. They know they can&#8217;t trust the radicals but don&#8217;t think they can trust the West either &#8212; and it&#8217;s the radicals that are going around killing them for disagreeing. The risk/reward ratio isn&#8217;t nearly strong enough for them to risk their lives, but if the option was between toiling in poverty and hardship or being prosperous, and all they have to do is stand up against the extremists, we would gain many allies. I think Liberals have done a terrible job of making the conversation be about the motives of the terrorists and extremists instead of about creating a wedge. When I look back on Nazi Germany that is the parallel that is clearest to me: the majority feels trapped by external forces and doesn&#8217;t stand up until it&#8217;s too late.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel DiRito</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel DiRito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harris is correct to identify the threat posed by religious extremism. He did so with his book and he does so again in this article. The outstanding question is how to address these threats. Racial prejudice may not be perfectly analogous, but I think it offers some insight into the perils of unbridled extremist ideologies on both sides of a conflict. Our own Civil War points out the potential for ideology to lead to violent conflict. How we address religious extremism may well demonstrate what we did or didnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t learn from our own experience. 

However, identifying the threat and crafting the solution are two distinct endeavors. Harris clearly identifies the threat but seems more inclined to then pivot and blame liberalism for our inability to confront the issue rather that offer any reasoned solutions. By acknowledging that liberalism is &quot;generally reasonable and tolerant of diversity&quot; and at the same time blaming it for not combating religious literalism is incongruent logic. In reality, liberalism clearly understands the dangers of religious literalism which is exactly why it promotes reasonability and tolerance. Further, that understanding is why liberals believe that the war in Iraq and the war on terror will ultimately require political solutions rather than an ever expanding military strategy.

As world population and a world economy continue to expand, our abilities to prevent the inherent racial, cultural, and religious clashes that come with proximity will become more challenging. Succumbing to the absolutism that accompanies any us/them equation is certain to trigger accelerated conflict. It is essential we refrain from adopting a broad brush strokes mentality. A reactionary strategy is nothing more than the fuel for escalation. In the end, it is individuals who define the differences upon which conflict is predicatedÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦whether they be Islamist, Liberal, or otherwise. It will be the politics of leadership that will eventually bridge the divide.

Read more here:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thoughttheater.com/2006/09/sam_harris_on_liberalism_relig.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.thoughttheater.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harris is correct to identify the threat posed by religious extremism. He did so with his book and he does so again in this article. The outstanding question is how to address these threats. Racial prejudice may not be perfectly analogous, but I think it offers some insight into the perils of unbridled extremist ideologies on both sides of a conflict. Our own Civil War points out the potential for ideology to lead to violent conflict. How we address religious extremism may well demonstrate what we did or didnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t learn from our own experience. </p>
<p>However, identifying the threat and crafting the solution are two distinct endeavors. Harris clearly identifies the threat but seems more inclined to then pivot and blame liberalism for our inability to confront the issue rather that offer any reasoned solutions. By acknowledging that liberalism is &#8220;generally reasonable and tolerant of diversity&#8221; and at the same time blaming it for not combating religious literalism is incongruent logic. In reality, liberalism clearly understands the dangers of religious literalism which is exactly why it promotes reasonability and tolerance. Further, that understanding is why liberals believe that the war in Iraq and the war on terror will ultimately require political solutions rather than an ever expanding military strategy.</p>
<p>As world population and a world economy continue to expand, our abilities to prevent the inherent racial, cultural, and religious clashes that come with proximity will become more challenging. Succumbing to the absolutism that accompanies any us/them equation is certain to trigger accelerated conflict. It is essential we refrain from adopting a broad brush strokes mentality. A reactionary strategy is nothing more than the fuel for escalation. In the end, it is individuals who define the differences upon which conflict is predicatedÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦whether they be Islamist, Liberal, or otherwise. It will be the politics of leadership that will eventually bridge the divide.</p>
<p>Read more here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thoughttheater.com/2006/09/sam_harris_on_liberalism_relig.php" >http://www.thoughttheater.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alan Stewart Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Stewart Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl,


Thank you for proving my contention &quot;it doesnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t matter how many liberal bone fides you list, once you take the opinion expressed by Harris, much of the left will consider you an apostate and turn against you.&quot;

Donklephant is not a Republican talking points blog and this post is not a Republican talking points post. To think otherwise is just willful blindness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl,</p>
<p>Thank you for proving my contention &#8220;it doesnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t matter how many liberal bone fides you list, once you take the opinion expressed by Harris, much of the left will consider you an apostate and turn against you.&#8221;</p>
<p>Donklephant is not a Republican talking points blog and this post is not a Republican talking points post. To think otherwise is just willful blindness.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Muecke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Muecke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see here by the softball replies to your Republican talking points blog that you don&#039;t allow any real criticism, so I won&#039;t try.  SHAME ON YOU!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see here by the softball replies to your Republican talking points blog that you don&#8217;t allow any real criticism, so I won&#8217;t try.  SHAME ON YOU!</p>
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		<title>By: BrianOfAtlanta</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianOfAtlanta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps one of the reasons people of faith tend to be more concerned about radical Islam is that we know how seductive that kind of dogmatic blindness can be, and just how easily one can justify the worst of attrocities in the name of a faith. And, of course just how completely immune such folk can be to logical, rational persuasion. 

Anyone who has delved deeply at all into their faith knows about that doorway to fanaticism, and has a good idea of what lies beyond it. Not just knowledge in rational terms, but knowledge at the gut level. It&#039;s that window into the soul of the jihadist which informs our opinion of their potential reasonableness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps one of the reasons people of faith tend to be more concerned about radical Islam is that we know how seductive that kind of dogmatic blindness can be, and just how easily one can justify the worst of attrocities in the name of a faith. And, of course just how completely immune such folk can be to logical, rational persuasion. </p>
<p>Anyone who has delved deeply at all into their faith knows about that doorway to fanaticism, and has a good idea of what lies beyond it. Not just knowledge in rational terms, but knowledge at the gut level. It&#8217;s that window into the soul of the jihadist which informs our opinion of their potential reasonableness.</p>
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		<title>By: marteen</title>
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		<dc:creator>marteen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meredith -

Do you really need an administration to help you see reality? On an issue like this, who waits every 4 years for someone to lay out the facts/issues for them before they form an opinion or come to a conclusion? This is like hearing about those undecided voters for the &#039;04 election - IN SEPTEMBER &#039;04! I think the Daily Show did a skit on these people. The crux of the skit was: WTF! What will it take for you to make up your mind!

Muslim extremists are a huge threat. Muslim moderates who are enablers of the extremists are a huge threat. GWB and the incompetent way he has conducted this war is a huge threat. Fundamentalist/Evangelical Christians in the US who believe in the End-of-Days are a huge threat. I can go one. There is a mountain of evidence to back these claims up. These issues are not necessarily mutually exclusive. This should not be an issue for anyone (Liberal or Conservative).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meredith -</p>
<p>Do you really need an administration to help you see reality? On an issue like this, who waits every 4 years for someone to lay out the facts/issues for them before they form an opinion or come to a conclusion? This is like hearing about those undecided voters for the &#8217;04 election &#8211; IN SEPTEMBER &#8217;04! I think the Daily Show did a skit on these people. The crux of the skit was: WTF! What will it take for you to make up your mind!</p>
<p>Muslim extremists are a huge threat. Muslim moderates who are enablers of the extremists are a huge threat. GWB and the incompetent way he has conducted this war is a huge threat. Fundamentalist/Evangelical Christians in the US who believe in the End-of-Days are a huge threat. I can go one. There is a mountain of evidence to back these claims up. These issues are not necessarily mutually exclusive. This should not be an issue for anyone (Liberal or Conservative).</p>
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		<title>By: Meredith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meredith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair to liberals, and thus to myself, I think there are many of us who would honestly admit that we don&#039;t know what to make of Middle East issues.  I am leery of just how dangerous the Muslim world is because I don&#039;t trust the current administration to be honest about that.  I&#039;m sure they are pretty dangerous, but I would like to hear the facts from an administration that is honest and full if integrity.  It doesn&#039;t have to be democrat; it just needs to be a group we can trust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair to liberals, and thus to myself, I think there are many of us who would honestly admit that we don&#8217;t know what to make of Middle East issues.  I am leery of just how dangerous the Muslim world is because I don&#8217;t trust the current administration to be honest about that.  I&#8217;m sure they are pretty dangerous, but I would like to hear the facts from an administration that is honest and full if integrity.  It doesn&#8217;t have to be democrat; it just needs to be a group we can trust.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Stewart Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Stewart Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, basically, the failure of liberals to take the threat of Islamic terrorism seriously will not only lead to greater power for the Islamists but will also lead to greater power for the Christian right here at home.

I&#039;d considered the first part of that, but never the second. But it makes sense. If there is no honest leadership coming from the left in regards to the biggest conflict of our day, then the average American will look to the one place where they can find real fortitude: the far right.

And yet, as I have so often learned, it doesn&#039;t matter how many liberal bone fides you list, once you take the opinion expressed by Harris, much of the left will consider you an apostate and turn against you.

This is not a problem that will be solved quickly or calmly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, basically, the failure of liberals to take the threat of Islamic terrorism seriously will not only lead to greater power for the Islamists but will also lead to greater power for the Christian right here at home.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d considered the first part of that, but never the second. But it makes sense. If there is no honest leadership coming from the left in regards to the biggest conflict of our day, then the average American will look to the one place where they can find real fortitude: the far right.</p>
<p>And yet, as I have so often learned, it doesn&#8217;t matter how many liberal bone fides you list, once you take the opinion expressed by Harris, much of the left will consider you an apostate and turn against you.</p>
<p>This is not a problem that will be solved quickly or calmly.</p>
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