Ron Paul IN Fox’s New Hampshire Debate

By Justin Gardner | Related entries in New Hampshire, Ron Paul

Yep. He’s in and he always has been.

The Boston Globe got caught up in it, as did I. But frankly, Paul should have checked his sources before he said Fox News was scared of him. Sure, I should have checked too, but I’m not running for President..

From Nolan Chart:

There is NO NH DEBATE on January 6th. Ron Paul was NOT EXCLUDED. That event was canceled three weeks ago.

Ron WILL participate in the January 5th ABC/WMUR GOP debate in New Hampshire.

So, what happened?

To find out, click over. It’s apparently all just a misunderstanding, but there is a forum on January 6th which some people claim Paul isn’t invited to. Frankly, I don’t care anymore to sort it out because I doubt there’s really any story here. Time to move on.

UPDATE:
That Nolan Chart article has now retracted its story and added stuff and added more stuff, and the waters are so muddy over there you can barely see anything.

Here’s what we don know…Paul hasn’t been invited to the forum on January 6th…yet. But let’s be clear here, it’s a closed forum with no studio audience and only Chris Wallace asking the questions.

And note to all of you commenters…I think all of them should be included, but that’s not my call, and frankly, if they have a debate the day before, Paul not being on Fox News at that time doesn’t seem like a big deal. But if you think it is, then try and get him on there. It’s what you all do best.

Here’s more from the Baltimore Sun:

Fergus Cullen, chairman of the New Hampshire State Republican Committee, confirmed Sunday evening to the Tribune that, yes, there will be a televised Fox News presidential candidate forum on Jan. 6, and yes, Rep. Ron Paul was not invited when the other candidates were a week or so ago. [...]

Cullen said the event, which is set to take place two days before the New Hampshire primary, will be held in the afternoon or evening at St. Anselm College in Goffstown, N.H. When asked if Fox News, which is co-sponsoring the debate with the NH party, planned to invite Paul later, Cullen said he didn’t know.

“It’s really premature. Just the other day candidates started to accept invitations.”

So, once more, do I think there’s a story here? Not really. Again, I point to the forum on faith and politics that CNN held with just Edwards, Hillary and Obama as an example of something that was much more like a debate, but still had a limited amount of candidates. News organizations do this. If you go by the logic that Fox is somehow scared of Ron Paul, they must also be scared of Duncan Hunter too. And CNN must be scared of Richardson, Biden, Dodd, Gravel and Kucinich.

Also, I think Paul put out a press release prematurely, called the network “propagandists” and has now handed Fox News a couple good reasons to say no to their request to be included in a more intimate forum. That’s just the long and short of it. You can post a thousand comments on a thousand different blog posts, but it still doesn’t change the fact that your candidate didn’t handle this situation with grace.

Have a good new year’s eve.


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30 Responses to “Ron Paul IN Fox’s New Hampshire Debate”

  1. Tracker Says:

    “but there is a forum on January 6th”

    Exactly. The Nolan Chart article is just nit picking about semantics.

    Regardless, Fox deserves a whoopin’. NewsCorp stock is expected to crash tomorrow.

    http://finance.google.com/group/google.finance.25639/browse_thread/thread/435d9e08edd073d4?

  2. Michael Cathcart Says:

    The debate was canceled three weeks ago because Fox out about the FaceBook Debate the night before. So now Fox has changed the event from a Debate to a “ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION” with Chris Wallace, where only Fred Thompson, Mike Huckabee, Rudy Julie-Anne, Mitt Romney, and John McCain will be ALLOWED to Participate.

    Stop playing with Semantics and get your facts straight.

    PAUL IS BEING BANNED BY FOX FOR THEIR JANUARY 6th EVENT!

  3. Jeremy Says:

    You’ll have to forgive me for jumping to conclusions. It’s not like Fox news is above actually doing something like this. Even with their being “fair and balanced” and all.

  4. eric Says:

    …so Orwellian, its spooky.

  5. webdevgirl Says:

    I’d also heard that the debate was cancelled, but now they’ve setup a roundtable discussion with 5 other candidates and have excluded Congressman Paul.

    http://isupportronpaul.blogspot.com/

  6. truthseeker Says:

    All you have to do is go back and see and hear any Fox news person interview or ask questions of Dr. Paul over the last 6 months . O’Reilly or Sean or Chris Wallace – they are all despicable characters and should go home at night and hold their heads in shame.

  7. foxshills Says:

    FOX is Banning RON PAUL from a forum which is really a debate. Hope about you go do some research and stop printing this rubbish that sounds like it supports censorship. If you like the Mass Media telling america who to vote for then enjoy. For me, I have higher standards and will do whatever I can to make sure no one ever forgets the nazi like tactics that FOX is partaking in. Ridiculous!

  8. ford Says:

    Fox wants WAR today, WAR tomorrow, & WAR forever. Looks more like Nazi Propoganda than news to me.

  9. tomdawg Says:

    Eisenhower said it best: beware of the MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. They cannot sell their wares unless war exists somewhere, whether America is envolved in those wars or not. If global peace (or near global peace) broke out because of an American non-interventionist foreign policy such as Dr. Paul would bring about, they would be broke as well.
    Hey, did you know that GE, one of the biggest military contractors, OWNS NBC? Orwellian days are upon us.

  10. Louis Nardozi Says:

    You can click this link to send a letter to EVERYONE at fox and let them know how you feel. It’s all automatic.

    http://www.dailypaul.com/node/18384#comment-154801

  11. jack dammit Says:

    you are a tool. don’t think we can’t see past your dimwitted semantic nitpicking. the forum essentially IS a debate. who paid you off, anyway? dumbass fascist moron.

  12. robert m. peters Says:

    First of all, to call the fiascoes which we have been subjected to since June “debates” is a semantic lie in and of itself; however, to say that there is no debate sponsored by Fox on 06 Jan 2008 from which Ron Paul cannot be excluded because it does not exist but that there is a round table discussion involving Fox News and the other Republican candidates excluding Ron Paul is fantastically disingenuous and is an utter lie masquerading as the “truth.”

    This is no shout out. There is to be a nationally televised Fox News event on 6 January 2008 from New Hampshire from which Ron Paul – by every standard a competitive candidate and certainly more than some who have been invited – has been excluded. Call it a show, a spectacle, a non-event event, a debate, a roundtable, a square table, a bull session, a chewing of the fat, a meeting of the mindless or whatever semantic title you want to give it. It is a nationally televised phenomenon. It is of the Republican candidates for President of the United States in 2008. It is on 06 January 2008. It is sponsored by Fox. Ron Paul and his message are excluded, and the American people, who are bleeding life, blood and money to ostensibly “promote democracy abroad through the barrel of a gun” are deprived by Fox News of their democracy at home!

    The article at the top of this page is a disingenuous lie!

  13. Joe Lawson Says:

    Donklephant should have checked its sources – because no there isn’t a debate in the 6th there is a Presidential Forum put on by Fox. Ron Paul was not invited – indeed Fox is scared of Ron Paul.

    It is a debate (forum) only there will not be a live audience.

  14. Justin Gardner Says:

    First off, to the people who are calling me a liar, etc., please get some people skills. Seriously. Just because you’re on the internet does not mean you should say whatever pops into your head. You can say what you need to say without having to resort to attacks. In short, chill out!

    Second, CNN had a forum about “faith and politics” and only invited Hillary, Edwards and Obama. Were they afraid of Biden or Dodd or Richardson? No. I agree that Paul should be included in any type of forum they do, but Paul’s original comments came about because he thought he was being left out of the debate, not the forum.

    Again, I’m not really too terribly concerned about him being left out of a forum since they’re having a debate the day before. However, you all go ahead and call Fox and try to get him on. But please, do it with a little couth.

  15. ChefF Says:

    First and most important Keep Ron Paul safe. I am so worried about the NWO pulling a JFK on the only man brave enough and knowledgeable to help the people out of this CLUSTER FOXTROT braught about by greed.

    After the election Ron Paul will do most of the fighting but now is our time to fight. Not only are we fighting for a fair elections. We must fight for our God given freedoms that are being infringed upon and usurped by the new world elitist fascist scumfucks from Hell !!

    They do not play fair so I say neither should we.

    Ron Paul — Ron Paul — Ron Paul For president

    My name is chef and I approved this mesage

  16. ChefF Says:

    I hope everyone remembers to call FOX and tear them a new @## $*&!

    Ron Paul — Ron Paul — Ron Paul For president

    My name is chef and I approved this mesage

  17. xtrabiggg Says:

    You say toe-may-to, I say toh-mah-toe- either way, it’s rotten tomatoes for FOX News. Their ‘Roundtable’ is neither fair nor balanced, and should count as a paid political advertisement, since they don’t even go through the motions of a sham process of exclusion. No matter how you slice it, this rotten tomatoe of a ‘forum’ (or whatever you wish to perform semantic gymnastics in calling it) excludes Ron Paul, while including Fred Thompson, Rudy Giuliani and John McCain- candidates who are statistically polling even with or below Dr. Paul in New Hampshire. Apparently FOX merely wants a Republican Neo-Con love-In rather than a real honest discussion about issues that includes ALL the legitimate candidates. Just because you disagree with someone doesn’t delegitimize their candidacy.

    Look for a post-’forum’ spin telling us how great Rudy did (they ALWAYS say that even when he stinks up the room, right Frank Luntz?), they’ll talk about how folksy and down-to-earth Mike Huckabee is (Ignoring his numerous faux pas and hateful rhetoric- even if delivered in a ‘folksy’ manner), how ‘strong’ John McCain sounded (have to push him- Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes are both good buddies with all the defense contractors making BILLIONS on this insane war!), and surely they will talk about how ‘Presidential’ Fred Thompson appeared (amazing he’s still running- is he still running?).

    Overall, It’s amazing that anyone takes FOX News seriously anymore, seeing how they don’t even try to hide their bias, and decry the immorality of American culture just before introducing the next ‘spring break gone wild’ videos for the umpteenth time.

    Gee… Ron Paul doesn’t look so ‘kooky’ when you look at him next to FOX News coverage of the Presidential race!

    xtrabiggg
    +++++++++++++++++++++=

  18. Lex Says:

    Sorry dude, the Baltimore Sun says the original story is right: Fox News is excluding the top Republican fundraiser in the fourth quarter from their televised candidates forum/debate on January 6th:

    http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/12/ron_paul_indeed_outfoxed_for_n.html

    Ron Paul did check his sources.

    Can you imagine the outcry if MSNBC, for example, decided to exclude the top Democratic fundraiser from a debate?

  19. MacTaggart Says:

    Justin,

    I know that you love the way Ron Paul pays the bills for you around here, but at least try to understand the quote if you’re going to refer to it.

    Your analogy about Dodd, Biden and Richardson doesn’t hold up, because Dr. Paul’s argument is that FOX is cheerleading for the war, and he’s the only anti-war candidate. How does that translate to Dodd, Biden, and Richardson going on CNN?

  20. Elisabetta Says:

    My, my, what an evil network is Fox News. Good thing we have a united front in this thread and this blog (few exceptions aside) to inform us of the facts. ROTFL

    Honesty and impartiality cease to exist aside from the truth. Something largely missing here.
    No doubt it’s impossible to find a news outfit that is 100% right (no pun intended) or correct 100% of the time, because they are all made of imperfect individuals, but to denounce Fox News as an “orwellian” organization requires Machiavellian abilities of one’s own. That charge, imho, would more appropriately apply to the alphabet networks that have proven to stop at nothing in order to win an election.

    Fox News is the only network where dems, cons and others get to say their piece and are given equal time, without been badgered like at …no names mentioned. That Fair and Balanced is to a fault, at times.

    Having said that, would the oracles of truth on this blog, please, illuminate the masses and tell us which news network is worthy of “reporting the facts” without fashioning them in their ideology…CNN? ABC? CBS? MSNBC?

    While comparing this post to the previous one about Fox News’ alleged crime, I am reminded of the saying: damn if you do, damn if you don’t.
    Not that I am thinking you’ll are prejudiced in any way…not at all.

  21. asdf Says:

    You guys, the Nolan Chart article has been retracted. The information is wrong. FOX has indeed EXCLUDED Ron Paul. They included Fred Thompson.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCAYRWIcPKQ
    -Fox Affiliate KPTM from Sunday Dec 31st

    http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/12/ron_paul_indeed_outfoxed_for_n.html
    -Baltimore Sun article from Sunday Dec 30th

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071227/ap_po/on_the2008_trail_7
    -AP Article from Thu Dec 27th

    You can get a contact list of people at Fox from http://chrisbrunner.com

  22. Beeradgeeze Says:

    Justin owned by the Paulite’s again, you always make us look so smart, thanks bro.

  23. Jeremy Says:

    “Honesty and impartiality cease to exist aside from the truth. Something largely missing here.
    No doubt it’s impossible to find a news outfit that is 100% right (no pun intended) or correct 100% of the time, because they are all made of imperfect individuals, but to denounce Fox News as an “orwellian” organization requires Machiavellian abilities of one’s own.”

    Elisabetta, I love how you write. Keeping trying to sound intelligent. I’m half convinced you actually know what you’re talking about.

  24. Butch Says:

    Elisabetta Says:
    “Having said that, would the oracles of truth on this blog, please, illuminate the masses and tell us which news network is worthy of “reporting the facts” without fashioning them in their ideology…CNN? ABC? CBS? MSNBC? ”

    You can Add Fox, NPR, UPI, and API to the list and the answer is still:

    None of the above.

    Hell, these days even the weather channel is pushing an agenda.

  25. Saul Tanner Says:

    Saint Anselm had their own Mock Primary and students voted for Ron Paul five times more than Thompson. Ask the students and faculty what they think of Fox’s decision…

    http://www.anselm.edu/Ask+Saint+Anselm.htm

  26. Elisabetta Says:

    Conversely, Jeremy, your regurgitated propaganda hardly qualifies as factual. Keep ( minus -ing) hiding in your hard-built fantasies. It’s hilarious to read you.

    “I’m half convinced you actually know what…” Not to worry. My expectations had already touched bottom.

  27. Elisabetta Says:

    Ego Butch, WHO manufactures your reality?

  28. mark Says:

    nearly the whole country can agree that Fox sucks

  29. carroll delaney Says:

    The very concept that Fox News is “fair and balanced” is one of the greatest jokes of the 21st century…..and I say that as a life long Republican…….Fox has absolutely zero jounalistic credibility.

  30. Elisabetta Says:

    To mark ~

    Thank goodness you and those on this blog don’t make the “whole” country.
    The vowels network ONLY offer their slanted to the left beliefs.

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