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	<title>Comments on: Texas Doctors Abandoning Medicare</title>
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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: guynoir</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/07/04/texas-doctors-abandoning-medicare/comment-page-1/#comment-411117</link>
		<dc:creator>guynoir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another example of unbridled government regulation and intervention ruining what was a perfectly good healthcare system in the US. We&#039;re taxing ourselves to prosperity! How long do you suppose it will be before docs are made to accept medicare as a requirement of licensure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another example of unbridled government regulation and intervention ruining what was a perfectly good healthcare system in the US. We&#8217;re taxing ourselves to prosperity! How long do you suppose it will be before docs are made to accept medicare as a requirement of licensure?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/07/04/texas-doctors-abandoning-medicare/comment-page-1/#comment-411078</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet another invidious comparison of a one-payer system versus the laissez-faire, dog-eat dog system we have now. 

One thing is for sure. The system as it currently stands is only benefiting one subgroup of people; the rich! We&#039;ve tried the hands-off approach. A &quot;free-market/capitalistic&quot; system. It&#039;s not working. Too many Americans are being denied what should be an essential right. The right to be a healthy human being. Under the current system as it stands and has stood for more than two centuries, it&#039;s a remarkable failure. 

as the age old trope goes, &quot;we have the best healthcare is the world, the best money can buy.&quot; Well, I hate to burst your bubble peeps, but healthcare isn&#039;t a Porsche. It&#039;s not a Plasma television.  It&#039;s a matter of life and death for millions. Healthcare has no place being commodified. When it is, as our system is you get rampant, flagrant abuse and people being neglected viable, quality healthcare based not on their apparent needs but instead their income bracket.  

No, western Europe isn&#039;t some backwater hick nether-region that hasn&#039;t the first clue about running a healthcare system. No, it&#039;s just quite the opposite. They&#039;ve managed to remove as much as possible the greed factor from what they view to be a critical and important facet of their lives. The right to live a dignified life. The right to be healthy. And yes! Oh my goodness, it&#039;s a &quot;Socialistic&quot; approach to healthcare (gasp!) Yes, that&#039;s right, the Stalin kind. And guess what? at least their healthcare system works. As much as one can expect it to work in any case. By &quot;work&quot; I mean people aren&#039;t going broke and destitute simply because they have to seek medical help. Something all too pervasive in this bastion of &quot;Free&quot; Market capitalism we got here in wonderland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet another invidious comparison of a one-payer system versus the laissez-faire, dog-eat dog system we have now. </p>
<p>One thing is for sure. The system as it currently stands is only benefiting one subgroup of people; the rich! We&#8217;ve tried the hands-off approach. A &#8220;free-market/capitalistic&#8221; system. It&#8217;s not working. Too many Americans are being denied what should be an essential right. The right to be a healthy human being. Under the current system as it stands and has stood for more than two centuries, it&#8217;s a remarkable failure. </p>
<p>as the age old trope goes, &#8220;we have the best healthcare is the world, the best money can buy.&#8221; Well, I hate to burst your bubble peeps, but healthcare isn&#8217;t a Porsche. It&#8217;s not a Plasma television.  It&#8217;s a matter of life and death for millions. Healthcare has no place being commodified. When it is, as our system is you get rampant, flagrant abuse and people being neglected viable, quality healthcare based not on their apparent needs but instead their income bracket.  </p>
<p>No, western Europe isn&#8217;t some backwater hick nether-region that hasn&#8217;t the first clue about running a healthcare system. No, it&#8217;s just quite the opposite. They&#8217;ve managed to remove as much as possible the greed factor from what they view to be a critical and important facet of their lives. The right to live a dignified life. The right to be healthy. And yes! Oh my goodness, it&#8217;s a &#8220;Socialistic&#8221; approach to healthcare (gasp!) Yes, that&#8217;s right, the Stalin kind. And guess what? at least their healthcare system works. As much as one can expect it to work in any case. By &#8220;work&#8221; I mean people aren&#8217;t going broke and destitute simply because they have to seek medical help. Something all too pervasive in this bastion of &#8220;Free&#8221; Market capitalism we got here in wonderland.</p>
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		<title>By: Donklephant Â» Blog Archive Â» Texas Doctors Abandoning Medicare &#171; Medical Fraud In America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donklephant Â» Blog Archive Â» Texas Doctors Abandoning Medicare &#171; Medical Fraud In America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;previously employed&quot; unemployed are covered by their previous fund, with the state benefits agency paying their contribution. The &quot;never employed&quot; unemployed are covered by the state benefits agency contracting directly with providers and the regional funds. 

Coverage in Germany is not nearly &quot;whole dollar,&quot; there are signficant co-pays. 

The Swiss have a mandatory-purchase setup whereby private regional insurers compete to provide policies with the state-standardized &quot;basic&quot; benefits. The hospital system is state run and supported, but is paid for somewhat by their treatment billings to insurance. I believe the basic policies are pretty much a flat 20% co-pay, and people can buy additional (non-mandatory) and upgraded coverages if they like, but everyone is required to have a &quot;basic&quot; standardized-benefits policy. You can choose any provider, but providers can set their own rates and insurance pays only the standardized fee. There is a healthy amount of competition both among insurors and providers. They pay about a third less overall (%GDP) for healthcare than we do, and are quite happy with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;previously employed&#8221; unemployed are covered by their previous fund, with the state benefits agency paying their contribution. The &#8220;never employed&#8221; unemployed are covered by the state benefits agency contracting directly with providers and the regional funds. </p>
<p>Coverage in Germany is not nearly &#8220;whole dollar,&#8221; there are signficant co-pays. </p>
<p>The Swiss have a mandatory-purchase setup whereby private regional insurers compete to provide policies with the state-standardized &#8220;basic&#8221; benefits. The hospital system is state run and supported, but is paid for somewhat by their treatment billings to insurance. I believe the basic policies are pretty much a flat 20% co-pay, and people can buy additional (non-mandatory) and upgraded coverages if they like, but everyone is required to have a &#8220;basic&#8221; standardized-benefits policy. You can choose any provider, but providers can set their own rates and insurance pays only the standardized fee. There is a healthy amount of competition both among insurors and providers. They pay about a third less overall (%GDP) for healthcare than we do, and are quite happy with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone cares to do just a bit of research NPR had a really good piece on the German system just yesterday. Basically there is a system of non-profits that get their money by 8% withholding from employees checks and an equal amount from the employers. The self-employed or people who make good money and want to opt out of the basic system can pay for-profits for their care. All of the companies are strictly regulated in terms of price increases, etc. What it didn&#039;t address (At least that I heard.) was how the unemployed fit into this system. Actually I&#039;ve been of the opinion for a while that what we needed was a non-profit similar to the USPS or Freddie Mac that employers, no matter how large or small, could use just as they use for-profits when they can afford it today. But there would be no small business that couldn&#039;t afford it at all, everything would be pay what you can based on income whether working at a regular job whether full time or part time, self-employed or unemployed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone cares to do just a bit of research NPR had a really good piece on the German system just yesterday. Basically there is a system of non-profits that get their money by 8% withholding from employees checks and an equal amount from the employers. The self-employed or people who make good money and want to opt out of the basic system can pay for-profits for their care. All of the companies are strictly regulated in terms of price increases, etc. What it didn&#8217;t address (At least that I heard.) was how the unemployed fit into this system. Actually I&#8217;ve been of the opinion for a while that what we needed was a non-profit similar to the USPS or Freddie Mac that employers, no matter how large or small, could use just as they use for-profits when they can afford it today. But there would be no small business that couldn&#8217;t afford it at all, everything would be pay what you can based on income whether working at a regular job whether full time or part time, self-employed or unemployed.</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Single-payer and universal health care are NOT synonyms, gljunket. 

Many or most European countries have universal &lt;i&gt;coverage&lt;/i&gt; without having government/single-payer insurance structures. In particular the Swiss and the Danes and the Germans have universal coverage without having single-payer, and all four have both better health-care outcome ratings and higher patient satisfaction ratings than the United States. The French have more of a blended system, but also have higher outcome and satisfaction ratings than we do.

Interestingly, Italy has single-payer and some of the highest outcome ratings--with some of the LOWEST patient satisfaction ratings. IOW it works pretty well for them, but they hate it. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Single-payer and universal health care are NOT synonyms, gljunket. </p>
<p>Many or most European countries have universal <i>coverage</i> without having government/single-payer insurance structures. In particular the Swiss and the Danes and the Germans have universal coverage without having single-payer, and all four have both better health-care outcome ratings and higher patient satisfaction ratings than the United States. The French have more of a blended system, but also have higher outcome and satisfaction ratings than we do.</p>
<p>Interestingly, Italy has single-payer and some of the highest outcome ratings&#8211;with some of the LOWEST patient satisfaction ratings. IOW it works pretty well for them, but they hate it. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: gljunket</title>
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		<dc:creator>gljunket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what&#039;s the logic in supporting a candidate/Party that promises Single Payer (aka Universal) healthcare?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what&#8217;s the logic in supporting a candidate/Party that promises Single Payer (aka Universal) healthcare?</p>
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