Alan Keyes Sues Obama For Proof Of Citizenship

By Justin Gardner | Related entries in Barack, California, Crazy, Keyes, Law, WTF?

Do far right conservatives really think that setting the bar so low for an Obama presidency is a wise move?

Because let’s go down the list of things that Obama has to prove: that he’s an American, he’s not a terrorist, he won’t take away people’s guns, he’s not like Hitler and that raising taxes 3% on the wealthiest 2% isn’t socialism.

In any event, enjoy the crazy because there’s plenty to go around…

Presidential candidate Alan Keyes, vice-presidential candidate Wiley S. Drake, and the Chairman of the American Independent Party, Markham Robinson, have filed suit in California Superior Court in Sacramento seeking to bar Secretary of State Debra Bowen from certifying to Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger the names of Electors, and from transmitting to each presidential Elector a Certificate of Election, until documentary proof is produced and verified showing that Senator Obama is a “natural born” citizen of the United States, and does not hold citizenship of Indonesia, Kenya or Great Britain.

In addition, they have asked that the court issue a peremptory writ barring Senator Obama’s California Electors from signing the Certificate of Vote until such documentary proof is produced and verified.

In response to questions about why the suit was being filed, Ambassador Alan Keyes commented, “I and others are concerned that this issue be properly investigated and decided before Senator Obama takes office. Otherwise there will be a serious doubt as to the legitimacy of his tenure. This doubt would also affect the respect people have for the Constitution as the supreme law of the land. I hope the issue can be quickly clarified so that the new President can take office under no shadow of doubt. This will be good for him and for the nation.”

Wow. That was some delicious crazy. I can’t wait to see what the right wing dishes up next.

Also, congrats to Mr. Keyes. You made the news cycle!

Now then, let’s talk about tort reform…

(h/t: Below The Beltway)


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47 Responses to “Alan Keyes Sues Obama For Proof Of Citizenship”

  1. Ted Says:

    Unavoidable scenario: If SCOTUS disqualifies Obama BEFORE 1/20/09 inauguration, McCain is POTUS per remaining electoral college electors; if SCOTUS disqualifies Obama after 1/20/09 inauguration, Hillary likely becomes POTUS per vote of Dem controlled House of Rep. Either way, is clear Obama will NOT be or remain POTUS.

  2. Are you kidding me? Says:

    I don’t know where more crazy resides. Keyes probably because he’s supposed to have half a brain. But Ted’s comment here is doubly moronic, so maybe he wins after all.

  3. Steve Says:

    I would love to see Keyes and Nader engage in physical combat to figure out who is more irrelevant.

  4. Publius Says:

    I have a feeling Keyes is going to lose in court, probably see his suit thrown out at the first level, although he could try to keep appealing (assuming some grounds to appeal) and milk to publicity.

    There is, however, an interesting question lurking in Keyes lawsuit — namely, who gets to decide if a person is qualified constitutional to be President (35 and a natural born citizen), since there has never before been such a dispute.

    I assume that Keyes lawsuit seeking to enjoin California officials would better have been brought over placing Obama (and his Elector candidates) on the ballot. Even if Keyes had incontrovertible proof that Obama was born in Indonesia, I don’t see how California could overturn its election and not certify the Electors. After all, even if Obama were not eligible, “his” Electors have been elected! So presumably, they would cast their votes in the Electoral College and the Senate would open and count the votes and….? What?

    It seems likely that the Senate would claim the Constitutional authority to decide the issue of eligibility. Would it not resist court interference with its Constitutional role, even ignore courts? Whether the Senate would pronounce Obama eligible in the face of proof to the contrary, I don’t know, but I suspect they would.

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  5. Nick Benjamin Says:

    Yo Ted,

    I’m going to assume you were joking.

    There’s no way Hillary or McCain will be President. 20th Amendment, Clause 3:

    “3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.”

    So if John Roberts hates America, and disqualifies Obama, we get President Biden.

  6. lolia Says:

    Why didn’t he bring this up during his senate race in 2004? answer: because he’s the story is BS and Keye’s is an attention whore….

  7. Nick Benjamin Says:

    Publius,

    If the votes get to the Senate they have to be counted. If a majority are for a candidate that person is President-elect. If that person is not qualified the VP-elect gets the job.

  8. Chris Says:

    Well I for one would love to have the supreme court decide who is president again. I mean look how well it worked in 2000. Clearly this is how the founding fathers wanted it to work. I wouldn’t have a problem with president biden.

  9. Trescml Says:

    We will keep hearing this kind of garbage until moderates make it clear to the Republicans that as long as this crazy talk continues, the Republicans won’t get the moderate vote.

  10. Free America Says:

    Just show us the birth certificate if it exists. Until then, BHO looks like a fraud.

  11. mw Says:

    Can we go back to Palin now?

  12. Justin Gardner Says:

    Well mw, my derangement syndrome has moved on to greener pastures.

  13. Noboma Says:

    If he’s NOT hiding it, why won’t he produce it? How about just showing the frickin documents and be done with it? I think every pres elect should have to have a security clearance before they are sworn in. Now that’s a bit more than just a birth certificate, how about every job, every school, every place he’s lived for 15 years.

  14. Bonnie Says:

    Several weeks ago before Obama won the general election over McCain, a copy of Obama’s official Birth certificate from where records are kept, was posted online and it showed Obama was born in Hawaii, so he is a legal citizen of the United States, and he is going to be our President.
    So this total idiot Alan Keyes is looking for his 15 minutes of fame, and get his sorry behind in the news, maybe Keyes don’t know how to use a computer either, or he’d do some research online before filing a lawsuit.
    He’s wasting his time and money, people like him absolutely make me ill !!!

  15. Holly Mead Says:

    SHOW US THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!! If The Messiah has nothing to hide, he’ll produce it. In addition, and to prove what the certificate’s authentic, show the university records that are being kept from Americans: Columbia, Harvard. What was The One’s dissertation topic while we’re at it and why is he reluctant to produce any of this?

    Let’s put it to rest once and for all with no monkey business clouding the issue. If The One’s own blood relatives claim he was born in Kenya, that proves plenty of doubt.

    IF an original birth certificate is produced, check to see that the paper is 1960′s vintage paper and not 21st century paper – like the carbon dating used to prove age.

  16. Dyre42 Says:

    You’ll have to read The Dish if you’re needing a daily dose of Palin Derangement Syndrome MW.

  17. Doug Mataconis Says:

    Holly,

    With all due respect, do you have any idea how nutty you sound when you say stuff like this ?

    Barack Obama has already done everything that any American citizen needs to do in order to proof his birth. He produced a certified copy of his birth records from the State of Hawaii. The authenticity of that document has been conclusively demonstrated despite the numerous arguments from the likes of Pam Geller at Atlas Shrugs to the contrary. The director of the Dept. of Vital Records for the State of Hawaii has said on the record that she has personally examined the original Birth Certificate and found it to be genuine. And, there is corroborating of his birth in Honolulu on August 4, 1961 from an entirely independent source — a newspaper listing of births that took place at the hospital where he was born.

    To disregard all this evidence, one would have to believe that Barack Obama’s parents, along with the State of Hawaii engaged in a conspiracy to fake the birth of a half-black/half-white child in the United States in 1961 so that he could run for President 47 years later.

    That’s simply not plausible, and anyone who would believe won’t be persuaded no matter what evidence is produced.

    Use your mind, think logically, don’t be be deceived by crap like this.

  18. Angela Says:

    Actually, I heard Obama is from Krypton.

  19. Robin Green Says:

    Holly, a post prior to yours states the birth certificate has already been released. Not only are you ignorant, you can’t be bothered to read what you’re replying to.

  20. Zapem Says:

    Yeah because following the eligibility requirements for POTUS is “lowering the bar” to some idiots.

    If this were a republican, you can bet donkeykong here would be the biggest elephant in the room.

  21. Al Says:

    This is what I think of Alan Keyes.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oeqC0DwTOU

  22. AG Says:

    HILARIOUS! Is Keyes just writing material for Comedy Central?

    Let’s remember that Senator McCain was actually born in Panama. That is an undisputed fact and one McCain has admitted. And the answer is? So what. Did others make a big point of that well known fact? no. Keyes is still hoping for a job on FOX news even though he was passed over by the Huckster.

  23. AG Says:

    I hear he was bitten by a spider, has a bat cave and now thinks he’s a bat, goes around changing clothes in telephone booths, flies around wearing a cape and can leap tall buildings in a single bound, and that he’s a bird, a plane no he’s…a man who is President-elect for all Americans (even the obviously very sane ones like Keyes)…
    Yes Keyes, I think you and certain other brilliant posters on this site (that attracts a serious readership obviously) should do a real in-depth investigation in to this. I mean this is really important and a very serious matter.

  24. Breakable Says:

    GOP ant their supporters:
    you lost,
    get over it!

  25. Chris Says:

    LOL Breakable, thank you for that. That’s all they said to us the democrats in 2000 and 2004. Guess the tables are turned and I’m totally gloating.

  26. jx Says:

    Since so many people here seem to be on the uninformed side, I’ll take the time to clear things up a bit.

    Obama has not produced a certificate of natural birth. The birth certificate that some of you say he has already produced was a certificate of live birth. Both are entirely different documents. For a point in time in Hawaii, if you were born outside the state but were declared a resident, you were allowed to file for a Hawaiian certificate of live birth.

    There are also a number of other doubts present, if his mother married his stepfather, Obama would’ve been stripped of his citizenship as per the attendance of and standing of his legal father in Indonesia. He himself has also stated that he attended school in Indonesia, however during this period of time in Indonesia, only citizens of Indonesia could attend school. (Indonesia doesn’t allow dual citizenship)

    So, that said, there are a number if concerns that need to be addressed. Associate Justice Soutre of the US Supreme court has issued a Writ of Certiorari by default as a result of reasonable ground to defend The Constitution. Obama has until Dec. 1st to respond with proof. He has not done so yet. In the event that he is unable to produce the documents in question, they will issue an order to unseal all his records and examine it themselves.

    One has to ask, if Obama has nothing to hide, why did he go through the trouble of sealing all his birth records and school records? Moreover, the office of FactCheck.org which originally certified Obama is owned by Annenberg (of which Obama has served on the board of.)

    If it is not in the right of the people to question the legitimacy of government, then who?

  27. john Says:

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

    This took me 5 seconds to find. There is so much information on this, I can not fathom how this is an issue. Beyond that, in order for Obama to get the highest level of security clearance in our country he had a background check done. In order for me to get clearance for an airport, I had to show proof of birth. Do you knuckle head conspiracy dolts really believe none of this was done? Get a life.

  28. Doug Mataconis Says:

    jx,

    Oh may where to start with the nonsense you’ve posted.

    Obama has not produced a certificate of natural birth.

    John has already posted this link, but I’ll do it again:

    http://tinyurl.com/5vrus3

    Barack Obama has produced a certified record from the State of Hawaii certifying his birth in that state on August 4, 1961. It’s the same document you would get from your state’s Dep. of Vital Records if you asked them for a record of your birth. Assuming you are an American citizen, of course.

    if his mother married his stepfather, Obama would’ve been stripped of his citizenship as per the attendance of and standing of his legal father in Indonesia. He himself has also stated that he attended school in Indonesia, however during this period of time in Indonesia, only citizens of Indonesia could attend school.

    Parents cannot legally strip their children of their American citizenship, so that’s a phony argument.

    Associate Justice Soutre of the US Supreme court has issued a Writ of Certiorari by default as a result of reasonable ground to defend The Constitution. Obama has until Dec. 1st to respond with proof. He has not done so yet. In the event that he is unable to produce the documents in question, they will issue an order to unseal all his records and examine it themselves.

    Since you’re probably not a lawyer, you probably don’t know this, but you got the substance of what is pending before SCOTUS entirely wrong.

    After Philip Berg’s frivilous lawsuit against Obama was dismissed by a Federal District Court Judge in Pennsylvania, he filed an immediate appeal and request for an injunction to stop the election with the Supreme Court. Justice David Souter, who is the Supreme Court Justice in charge of the Third Circuit which includes Pennsylvania, denied the injunction.

    An appeal to the Supreme Court is initiated by asking for what is called a Writ of Certiorari. Berg asked for this because he is appealing the case and the opposing parties, including Obama, have until December 1st to file briefs with the Supreme Court explaining why it shouldn’t take the appeal, if they choose to since there is no requirement under the Rules of the Supreme Court of the United States that they do so. Most importantly, Justice Souter did not issue an order requiring them to file any response at all and most certainly did not issue an order requiring Obama to produce his birth certificate since teh Supreme Court doesn’t consider appeals based on evidence, only appeals based on the law..

    I would also note that Berg filed his appeal in the wrong Court. Since his case was dismissed by a Federal District Court Judge, his right of appeal was to the Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, not the Supreme Court.

  29. blackoutyears Says:

    Hey, did y’all know that 9/11 was perpetrated by our own government?!?

  30. Landed Gentry Says:

    The latest theory from other “nut-jobs-just-like-me” – - (we may be right…)

    1.)Allegedly, Obama was born in Kenya, where his given name was “Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama”

    2.)Allegedly, no long form original birth record exists in Hawaii. The “original record”, (i.e., the “long form”) as it was executed in many States back in 1961, was simply a little index card, or a 5” X 7” form, that was generally signed off on by a doctor, or a nurse, or a midwife, or whoever actually witnessed the birth. The so-called long form, if it exists, is the Holy Grail sought after in this particular exercise.

    3.)As this theory goes, Obama’s mom falsely “registered” his birth in Hawaii, using the so-called “short form by declaration” method (look it up) which was legal in Hawaii thru 1972, and could be legally executed based on only the testimony of the parent, with no evidence or doctor’s statement or hospital record or witnesses.

    4.)A legal birth certificate can be produced at any time from the short-form database record, and is generally not questioned. However, if Obama’s real birth certificate exists in Kenya, and if there is no long form on record in Hawaii, then the Supreme Court faces a Constitutional nightmare.

    The above points, 1-4, exist as the latest theory regarding the Obama birth certificate issue. The “short-form by declaration” conspiracy isn’t much of a conspiracy, and if true, I am disappointed. I was really hoping for an elaborate and entertaining conspiracy. If Obama was born in Kenya, and if his mom simply traveled back to Hawaii with him shortly thereafter, and falsely declared his birth, (including the newspaper announcement) then she alone broke the law, without the assistance of any co-conspirators.

    Too simple…

    . . .

    Where this may end up – -

    The Electoral College meets (in each of the 50 States) on December 15.

    According to the 20th Amendment, the Electors CLEARLY have legal standing to question the qualifications of the “Presumptive-President-Elect” (Obama is not really the President-Elect until after the Electoral College votes on 15-DEC-2008)

    The 20th Amendment identifies the Electoral College as the place & time to challenge a candidate’s credentials…(Age and Citizenship)

    An awful lot can happen between now and 15-December-2008

    And, it really is that simple… If Obama was born in Kenya, then he is not eligible to hold the office of President of the United States of America (See Article II, Clause V of the Constitution )

    . . .

    Simply stated, this is a neat little conspiracy theory, as it has evolved, that seems to fit all known facts:

    1.)Obama’s Kenya Grandmom has testified that Obama was born in Kenya;

    2.)The Kenyan government will not admit if there is or is not an Obama birth record on file in Kenya, and they have denied all access to any Kenya government records relating to Obama;

    3.)The long form vault record in Hawaii, if it exists, has allegedly not been examined, and Obama has refused to allow it to be examined.

    I hope that the 9 Old Men on the Supreme Court can be made to understand that there are three types of documents or birth certificate records:

    a.)The so-called birth certificate, which we have all seen on the Internet, and which may be created at any time from the data contained in either the long form physical record or the short form database record;

    b.)The short form record could easily be bogus, in the scenario illustrated in the opening of my post, points 1-4;

    c.)The long form physical record is harder to fake, and no one has seen that record.

    These are the facts, and the facts fit the so-called “conspiracy theory”. The Electors have the right to challenge Obama on three points: (1.)Does a Kenyan birth record exist? (2.)Does a Hawaii long form original vault record exist? (3.)Forensics – - The Justice Department could simply send a forensic team to look at the original vault record, in order to at least verify the signatures and to verify that the ink and paper are the same age and type as the ink and paper on other sequential original records before and after Obama’s 1961 vault record original.

    I have a little different perspective on this than most of you. I am a 59 year old American engineer. I have not been back to the USA since 2002. I live and work in Bangkok, Thailand. There is a place on Khao San Road, here in Bangkok, where I can have any raised impression seal made for about $10-USD and any rubber stamp made for about $2-USD. The paper that you see on FactCheck and Obama’s web site (The laser print job) is a recently produced certificate of life birth. (“COLB”) It was printed on a common style 25 pound bond 8.5” X 11” security paper known as “Check Protect, Basket Weave Pattern, Green”. I have an entire ream of it at the office. We use that paper to print machinery inspection certificates. Anyone can buy that paper, and it is the most common paper still in use by State agencies. My graphic artists and the guys on Khao San Road could whip out a beautiful COLB in under 48 hours, and you would never detect the difference.

    Sadly, those are the facts.

  31. max843 Says:

    My understanding is that a certificate of live birth and a birth certificate are one and the same. Hawaii and California both use the term “certificate of live birth.”

  32. eastindyguy Says:

    @ Landed Gentry

    And I am sure that you have the materials to prove the moon landings were faked, and that Elvis is really still alive.

    I recently ordered a copy of my Birth Certificate from the state I was born in, and guess what? The copy I received was printed on paper similar to material that you see in the pictures of Obama’s COLB – and guess what else? Mine was labeled as a “certificate of live birth”.

    Does that mean that I am possibly a foreign born person? No, it means that when you order a reprint of your birth certificate you don’t actually get the real certificate, you get whatever the state sends out since (most) states are required to keep the physical records on-hand or if they have been electronically archived, you get it on one of the new style forms.

  33. PeePants Says:

    Question: Does Obama have the autority to stop the release of his birth records from either Kenya or Hawaii? Is there, in fact, anyone refusing to release these records? Has any Court ordered the release of these records and been rebuffed, or is this a case where a longer, hand written form may not be on file anywhere?

  34. Mike Says:

    Why didn’t he bring this up during his senate race in 2004? answer: because he’s the story is BS and Keye’s is an attention whore….

    ———————————————————————–
    Intelligent Answer:
    Because there is no natural-born citizen requirement to be a senator. The Presidency is the only office that has the natural-born citizen requirement.

    Have any of you ever read the constitution or do you simply post that which you WISH to be true?

  35. lugnut Says:

    Mother, an American citizen, no matter what her age, no matter where President elect’s father was from, and what his citizenship status was. It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with citizenship rules of Kenya or Britain. Obama was born in HONOLULU. That’s a state, if you didin’t know it.

    If an American has a baby and that mother had not given up her citizenship, the baby is a U.S. CITIZEN. No matter where the child was born. If this was the case, children of military personal overseas, would not be American citizens. including John McCain.

  36. EyeSurgeon Says:

    lugnut,

    Actually, that does not seem to be the case legally. Under the law at the time Obama was born, a U.S. citizen mother who was married to a non-citizen and gave birth outside the U.S. would only transfer American citizenship to her child if she had lived in the United States for a total of ten years, and five of those years had to be after the age of 14. Since Obama’s mother was 18 when he was born, she was too young to transfer citizenship to him IF he was born out of the country with a non-citizen father.

    I agree–Keyes is an attention hound–but it has no relevance to the argument at hand, which is: was Obama born in the U.S.? A Certificate of Live Birth (COLB), which is what Obama posted online, is NOT the same as the long-form birth certificate, which would list the location of birth, attending doctor, etc., which are not on the COLB short form. Any parent can request a COLB, certifying that a birth took place, without anything more than a verbal attestation that a child exists. It does not prove where he was born.

    This question would be easily settled if Obama would simply produce his original, long-form birth certificate. However, he has repeatedly refused to do this. The logical question is, why, if he has nothing to hide? And why has he refused to release his records from college? Do they list him as a foreign student? Why have them sealed, if there is nothing to hide?

  37. AnonymousToo Says:

    Why doesn’t Obama just bring out the birth certificate? Is there something fishy about it, or is he just too plain arrogant to prove that he’s a natural born citizen? It’s got to be one or the other.

  38. HuckleBuckJr Says:

    The birth certificate is like all of the other records that he refuses to release. It reminds me a lot of a drunk driving checkpoint and someone who would rather be hauled off to jail than walk a straight line and touch their nose. All he has to do is release the birth certificate. What is so bad about that? I’ve provided mine many times for jobs. No problem.

    The bigger hypocracy is that he could not work for himself if he had to provide the information asked on the application he wants people to fill out.

  39. Deon Says:

    Just an observation, but Keyes and his group are NOT the first to file suit regarding Obama’s citizenship. Democrat Phillip Berg (Associate Attorney General, and part of the DNC for 8 years) filed suit. It was thrown out due to “lack of standing” and he appealed to the Supreme Court. Justice Souter has granted the Writ of Certiorari and Obama and the DNC have until December 1, 2008 to respond.

  40. Jack from GA Says:

    Why don’t Sarah Palin show the birth certificate of her youngest child, Trig? We will accept the short form.

  41. Patrick Henry Says:

    It’s simple, Obama doesn’t have something to hide, he has his entire life history to hide! He’s not only the first African-American president, he’s the first AFRICAN president, and the democrats don’t care if he’s not eligible to be the president. He’s on their team, so the rules don’t apply.

    Now if he were a Republican, democrats would be suing in every court house in the United States to get him to produce his official birth certificate! This is pathetic, I want the constitution to prevail, not the win at any cost democrats whose ends jutify any and all means necessary to win!

  42. TerenceC Says:

    This is crazy. Most of you claiming to represent the facts sound like you’re researching for a Robert Ludlum novel – decades old conspiracies, forgeries from third world back streets, and of course the holy grail, the missing long form of the BC. It’s a genuine Kenyan conspiracy. Where were your screams for the truth while the neo-cons (with the help of Congress) raped the Constitution, our treasury, and the military searching for things that never existed? Where were your priorities for the truth then? This illegitimate birth blog string is simply assinine – as is virtually every issue Keyes sides with. Keyes has been consistently wrong on everything – he’s a clown, the Joe Isuzu of the Joe Isuzu’s. So get over your spilled milk and start to focus on issues substantive to all Americans, including the natural and unnaturally born.

  43. Davidms Says:

    This is such a simple thing-produce the document and prove your validity as a president-elect. All of this other rancor would subside somewhat. I didn’t vote for Mr. Obama, but I will attempt to give him the benefit of a doubt. But just like Ricky Ricardo said, “Barack, you got some splaining to do…”

  44. tanis1lionheart Says:

    Attempting to give a…

    O’ I’m sorry, the “PATRIOT ACT II” and the Bush admin using the US Constitution as toilet paper stops me from giving a crap.

    Who cares if Obama was boring in Hawaii, India, Kenya or Pot-hole-istan?
    He was obviously a good enough liar to win the White House, let the Americans get what they voted for.

  45. Husband for president Says:

    I always tell my husband he should run for office but he was born in Bangladesh, so he could never be president. Seriously, it really isn’t fair that foreign-born people who become citizens are disqualified to be president but we can’t break the rules even if we don’t agree with them (and I don’t agree with this rule). Unless or until we amend the constitution, no foreign-born citizen can become president.

    The rule may have been set up this way (originally) to prevent someone loyal to Britain, which was probably a very valid concern at that time in history, from taking control of our newly-formed (vulnerable) country.
    You always have to look at the “why” of something and so that is my best guess for the reason they made this rule.
    I’ll admit that is just plain common sense that if you are born somewhere (IE your parents and other family members live in the country/have strong ties to it, you would more naturally feel a pat of it).

    I would argue, however, that this rule will not keep out a terrorist who is intent on ruining our country.
    If a group of people are conspiring against our country, they will gladly birth a child on this soil. So this is why I don’t really agree with the rule.

    When I say “group”, I don’t necessarily refer only to Islamic terrorists. There are MANY groups that can be tyrants and terrorists and where they are from is not the issue. Their evil intentions WOULD be the issue.

    Personal opinion? I don’t trust Bill Clinton. I don’t trust very many democrats, period, but that’s one president that really scared the hell out of me.
    My gut instinct tells me that President Obama has more integrity than Bill Clinton had.
    I’m not saying that we won’t suffer under taxes (or something else) and that Obama can do no wrong but I don’t think he’ll be any worse than any other democratic president we’ve ever had.
    And I’m certainly not afraid that he’s the antichrist, lol!

    Now, if he tries to create a North American Union or insists that we Texans make our private land owners (I HATE imminent domain) give up their property for a stupid Transcontinental Corridor, (we do need to trade more with Mexico and get them on their feet financially but we only need to widen the existing roads) then I will be the first one in line to try to impeach him. THIS is what I call unAmerican!

  46. vicki chris Says:

    It was smart to NOT try to prove Obama was eligible for the presidency BEFORE the election. NOW if anyone dares to question his birth cert, he or she will be ridiculed for throwing this nation into civil unrest. So, shame on him or her for asking for proof!

    Good move by the obots. Very, very clever.

  47. thelastpatriot Says:

    so many people talk about Obama’s birth certificate…

    fact – Natural-Born Citizenship requires both of your parents to be citizens
    fact – Natural-Born Citizenship also requires you to be born within the US

    alot of people also say that McCain is not Natural-Born…

    question – did McCain’s birth certificate look anything like Obama’s COLB?
    answer – of course not, a BC and a COLB are 2 different documents

    LAW OF NATIONS
    Book1, Chapter 19

    “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”
    – why is there an “S” at the end of “PARENTS”?
    “I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”
    – like duh people…

    We just tried the Somali pirates based on the Law of Nations and we’ve derived our political definitions from that book since 1758. The Constitution was written in 1776, so duh again.

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One last note, we will not tolerate comments that disparage people based on age, sex, handicap, race, color, sexual orientation, national origin or ancestry. We reserve the right to delete these comments and ban the people who make them from ever commenting here again.


Thanks for understanding and have a pleasurable commenting experience.


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