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		<title>By: cwq</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/06/09/republicans-blast-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-484434</link>
		<dc:creator>cwq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a mess. The Republicans used to have the power of small- they were detail oriented and made sure that every party member, spokesperson and supporter are on target.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a mess. The Republicans used to have the power of small- they were detail oriented and made sure that every party member, spokesperson and supporter are on target.</p>
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		<title>By: Trescml</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/06/09/republicans-blast-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-482008</link>
		<dc:creator>Trescml</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the big risk for the Republicans is that even with a poorly defined economic message they will pick up some seats in the mid-term.  They will mistake these pick ups for approval of their current strategy and if they continue this path through 2012, they will get wiped out then.   There is a current to have a split government with a strong Republican party, but without taking some of the suggestions others have already make on this post, I don&#039;t think that will happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the big risk for the Republicans is that even with a poorly defined economic message they will pick up some seats in the mid-term.  They will mistake these pick ups for approval of their current strategy and if they continue this path through 2012, they will get wiped out then.   There is a current to have a split government with a strong Republican party, but without taking some of the suggestions others have already make on this post, I don&#8217;t think that will happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/06/09/republicans-blast-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-481954</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>conservatives by nature aren&#039;t the best at coming up with new ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>conservatives by nature aren&#8217;t the best at coming up with new ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: wj</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/06/09/republicans-blast-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-481910</link>
		<dc:creator>wj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The challenge for the Republicans (which I see no sign so far of their addressing) is to come up with a plan which is both
a) different from the current administrations, and
b) different from the approach which got us into this mess in the first place.

If they can do that, and combine it with failure of the administration approach, then they may make a big come-back.  Otherwise, about all they can hope for is the usual small snap back seen in mid-term elections.  And, if they don&#039;t at least look like they are trying to come up with some sensible ideas for actually governing, they won&#039;t even see that.  Which, as someone who prefers to see two viable parties contending, would be a pity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The challenge for the Republicans (which I see no sign so far of their addressing) is to come up with a plan which is both<br />
a) different from the current administrations, and<br />
b) different from the approach which got us into this mess in the first place.</p>
<p>If they can do that, and combine it with failure of the administration approach, then they may make a big come-back.  Otherwise, about all they can hope for is the usual small snap back seen in mid-term elections.  And, if they don&#8217;t at least look like they are trying to come up with some sensible ideas for actually governing, they won&#8217;t even see that.  Which, as someone who prefers to see two viable parties contending, would be a pity.</p>
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		<title>By: kranky kritter</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/06/09/republicans-blast-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-481894</link>
		<dc:creator>kranky kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The GOP no more has the votes in Congress to stop this than the Democrats had in 2005 to stop the passage of social security reform, so, faced with the imperative to stop what they sincerely regard as a catastrophic and irreparable mistake and the lack of any formal tools to stop it, the GOP of 2009 will do what the Democrats of 2005 did... &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Especially given the analogy to the 2005 democrats,  I was sort of expecting the next sentence to be &quot;They will wallow in childish over-the-top hyperbole.&quot; And indeed, that seems to be the path the GOP is choosing. Since they lack the votes to change the outcomes, I think they ought to choose between acting like serious leaders and drowning us in spittle. 

The GOP loses no points for saying that Obama&#039;s heart is in the right place or suggesting that most Americans share a wish for the same sorts of outcomes and differ only on how best to get there. A little grace would go a long way, if you ask me. Instead, the drumbeat is that Obama-style socialism is going to subjugate our children&#039;s future. 

I can&#039;t think of a better way to elicit &quot;whatever dude&quot; from Americans outside the GOP base. In other words, people will tend to shut down and tune out the GOP message. The republicans are in a lousy position to win via demonization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The GOP no more has the votes in Congress to stop this than the Democrats had in 2005 to stop the passage of social security reform, so, faced with the imperative to stop what they sincerely regard as a catastrophic and irreparable mistake and the lack of any formal tools to stop it, the GOP of 2009 will do what the Democrats of 2005 did&#8230; </p></blockquote>
<p>Especially given the analogy to the 2005 democrats,  I was sort of expecting the next sentence to be &#8220;They will wallow in childish over-the-top hyperbole.&#8221; And indeed, that seems to be the path the GOP is choosing. Since they lack the votes to change the outcomes, I think they ought to choose between acting like serious leaders and drowning us in spittle. </p>
<p>The GOP loses no points for saying that Obama&#8217;s heart is in the right place or suggesting that most Americans share a wish for the same sorts of outcomes and differ only on how best to get there. A little grace would go a long way, if you ask me. Instead, the drumbeat is that Obama-style socialism is going to subjugate our children&#8217;s future. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t think of a better way to elicit &#8220;whatever dude&#8221; from Americans outside the GOP base. In other words, people will tend to shut down and tune out the GOP message. The republicans are in a lousy position to win via demonization.</p>
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		<title>By: ExiledIndependent</title>
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		<dc:creator>ExiledIndependent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kranky, the nail has been hit upon the head.  The GOP will accomplish what Simon outlined faster, more effectively, and more permanently (as permanent as anything in politics is) if they say &quot;no&quot; followed immediately by &quot;because we have a better solution for America.&quot;  

The good ideas are out there, but the party is so emotionally beaten and fragmented that it&#039;s difficult for the best thinking to rise to the top; too much churn.  The Republicans need a true leader to emerge in the next 60-90 days or they&#039;re going to be relying on negative pub/op and negative economic results from the Bubble Reinflation Movement (BRM) in order to pick up seats in 2010.  Seems like leaving an awful lot to chance with that non-strategy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kranky, the nail has been hit upon the head.  The GOP will accomplish what Simon outlined faster, more effectively, and more permanently (as permanent as anything in politics is) if they say &#8220;no&#8221; followed immediately by &#8220;because we have a better solution for America.&#8221;  </p>
<p>The good ideas are out there, but the party is so emotionally beaten and fragmented that it&#8217;s difficult for the best thinking to rise to the top; too much churn.  The Republicans need a true leader to emerge in the next 60-90 days or they&#8217;re going to be relying on negative pub/op and negative economic results from the Bubble Reinflation Movement (BRM) in order to pick up seats in 2010.  Seems like leaving an awful lot to chance with that non-strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: gerryf</title>
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		<dc:creator>gerryf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I read this post, I was going to write Kranky&#039;s comment (minus the inflation point), but now I don&#039;t have to....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I read this post, I was going to write Kranky&#8217;s comment (minus the inflation point), but now I don&#8217;t have to&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: kranky kritter</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/06/09/republicans-blast-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-481717</link>
		<dc:creator>kranky kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Obama&#039;s honeymoon mulligan tank is still about three quarters full. And the fuel tank on the public perception that &quot;the big biz GOP caused the econ crash&quot; is concurrently running about 3/4 full.

The GOP has a serious credibility issue on economic policy that is currently far too serious to be bridged solely by complaints that Obama&#039;s policies are misguided. That&#039;s too bad to some extent, as I think fizcons make valid points about overspending, inflation, and so on. As time passes, that bridge can be more solidly built using only negativity &lt;i&gt;if and only if the economy does not rebound&lt;/i&gt;.

But not right now. And I&#039;m not sure how much that really bothers me . Because I think the GOP really does have to do better than wrapping themselves in &quot;our children will suffer.&quot; Folks are suffering now, and want mitigation, and that&#039;s a pill the GOP has to swallow.

Basically, I have 5 words for the GOP:
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Credible Alternate Positive Economic Vision
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That pretty much covers it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Obama&#8217;s honeymoon mulligan tank is still about three quarters full. And the fuel tank on the public perception that &#8220;the big biz GOP caused the econ crash&#8221; is concurrently running about 3/4 full.</p>
<p>The GOP has a serious credibility issue on economic policy that is currently far too serious to be bridged solely by complaints that Obama&#8217;s policies are misguided. That&#8217;s too bad to some extent, as I think fizcons make valid points about overspending, inflation, and so on. As time passes, that bridge can be more solidly built using only negativity <i>if and only if the economy does not rebound</i>.</p>
<p>But not right now. And I&#8217;m not sure how much that really bothers me . Because I think the GOP really does have to do better than wrapping themselves in &#8220;our children will suffer.&#8221; Folks are suffering now, and want mitigation, and that&#8217;s a pill the GOP has to swallow.</p>
<p>Basically, I have 5 words for the GOP:</p>
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Credible Alternate Positive Economic Vision
</p></blockquote>
<p>That pretty much covers it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/06/09/republicans-blast-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-481714</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the bottom line, from a pragmatic standpoint. Obama and his minions in Congress have made clear that they intend to ram through a healthcare reform package that will, to put it charitably, be ruinous. The GOP no more has the votes in Congress to stop this than the Democrats had in 2005 to stop the passage of social security reform, so, faced with the imperative to stop what they sincerely regard as a catastrophic and irreparable mistake and the lack of any formal tools to stop it, the GOP of 2009 will do what the Democrats of 2005 did. They will seek to mobilize public opposition. 

How to do that? The easiest door to open is one that is already ajar. The public is already skeptical of the stimulus package, was outright hostile towards the bailouts, and may &lt;a href=&quot;http://donklephant.com/2009/06/08/rasmussen-repubs-trusted-more-than-dems/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;already be turning back toward the GOP on economic issues&lt;/a&gt;. It makes good sense, therefore, to emphasize issues on which the public is already dubious of the Obama administration&#039;s judgment &lt;i&gt;a posteriori&lt;/i&gt; in order to build a case that they should be dubious &lt;i&gt;a priori&lt;/i&gt; of that administration&#039;s judgment and competence in executing another huge program. These idiots have already made such a mess over &lt;i&gt;this&lt;/i&gt; project, the argument will go (in its raw form; the spin doctors will come up with kinder wording, but that will be the gist), that it&#039;s crazy to trust their judgment when they ask to undertake another project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the bottom line, from a pragmatic standpoint. Obama and his minions in Congress have made clear that they intend to ram through a healthcare reform package that will, to put it charitably, be ruinous. The GOP no more has the votes in Congress to stop this than the Democrats had in 2005 to stop the passage of social security reform, so, faced with the imperative to stop what they sincerely regard as a catastrophic and irreparable mistake and the lack of any formal tools to stop it, the GOP of 2009 will do what the Democrats of 2005 did. They will seek to mobilize public opposition. </p>
<p>How to do that? The easiest door to open is one that is already ajar. The public is already skeptical of the stimulus package, was outright hostile towards the bailouts, and may <a href="http://donklephant.com/2009/06/08/rasmussen-repubs-trusted-more-than-dems/" >already be turning back toward the GOP on economic issues</a>. It makes good sense, therefore, to emphasize issues on which the public is already dubious of the Obama administration&#8217;s judgment <i>a posteriori</i> in order to build a case that they should be dubious <i>a priori</i> of that administration&#8217;s judgment and competence in executing another huge program. These idiots have already made such a mess over <i>this</i> project, the argument will go (in its raw form; the spin doctors will come up with kinder wording, but that will be the gist), that it&#8217;s crazy to trust their judgment when they ask to undertake another project.</p>
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