New York City Mosque To Move To…New York City

By Justin Gardner | Related entries in Islam, New York, New York City, Partisan Hacks, Partisan Nonsense, Religion

I refuse to call it the Ground Zero mosque because, well, it’s not at Ground Zero. It’s close, but it’s not at the site…which I think most people who opposed it think it is.

But here’s the thing…looks like it’s moving to another part of the city.

From Haaretz:

After weeks of heated debate over plans for an Islamic community center near Ground Zero – the site of the 9/11 attacks on New York – it seems Muslim leaders will soon back down, agreeing to move to a new site.

The decision follows a high-profile campaign against the project that included advertisements on New York buses showing images of the burning Twin Towers, an iconic landmark razed when al-Qaida terrorists flew packed passenger planes into them in 2001. The New York Republican party is also said to be planning a hostile television campaign.

Every hack politician who has actively pushed this should be ashamed of themselves. This is a completely worthless debate, driven, might I add, by the same folks who cry every single day about their constitutional rights being violated.

And lest they forget another important point about why a mosque would be appropriate near Ground Zero…a reminder from the Village Voice

Muslims were victims of 9/11, too. Sorry, but it’s true. And one was an NYPD cadet.

Heads up Republicans…politicizing this might drive some of the base to the polls this year, but it’ll drive nobody else. And as you continue to ostracize groups that are expanding, instead of having an open tent, you’re marginalizing your party in the long run. Because for every voter you keep with nonsense issue like this (and revising the 14th amendment), you lose 2 new voters in the future. Don’t say you weren’t warned.

UPDATED:
Looks like the report was false. The mosque is going forward.

The official Twitter account of Park51, the developer constructing the center, has now stepped in to deny the story. “Reports by Haaretz are completely false,” tweeted @Park51. “We are committed to plans of building Park 51 to serve the community of Lower Manhattan.

Score one for American media. And cross Haaretz off your list of sources for news on this story.

Good.

UPDATED UPDATE:
However, David Patterson is trying to get the mosque to move…

New York Gov. David Paterson (D) will meet with the imam and developer of the proposed mosque near Ground Zero “later this week” to discuss the possibility of removing the mosque to an “alternate location”, according to Rep. Peter King.

King, an outspoken opponent of placing the mosque and Islamic cultural center so close to where terrorists attacked on Sept. 11, 2001, received a call from Paterson this morning.

“We are working with the developers on a staff level but there have not been any formal discussions between the Governor and Imam or developer,” said Morgan Hook, a spokesman for Paterson. “However, we expect to have a meeting scheduled in the near future.”

Something tells me this will keep on going and going and going…


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20 Responses to “New York City Mosque To Move To…New York City”

  1. Milo Says:

    All the hacks must be so excited to have an issue where they can finally just disagree and excite their supporters, not have to deal with policy nuance and that stubborn economy they can’t just order around… An issue with FEELING – so pleasant and simple compared to healthcare, economic stimulus, and preventing auto & banking meltdowns.

    Worthless S.O.B.s

  2. theWord Says:

    As an atheist, sad that I support the first amendment more than these hypocrites. Pushing hate and division again, what a despicable, despicable party.

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  4. Chris Says:

    But they’re doing what they do best, marginalizing a minority with a poor public image. Republicans only go after the easy targets.

  5. gerryf Says:

    I usually am disgusted or angry with the right–this issue actually just makes me embarrassed for them.

  6. mw Says:

    Gerry , Chris and Word – When did Harry Reid join the Republican party? BTW – I can list a lot more Democrats who have jumped on the “move the mosque” bandwagon and plenty of Republicans who have defended the mosque. But – lets not quibble – I’ll make this easy and do it your way:

    But Reid and and the Democrats are doing what they do best, marginalizing a minority with a poor public image. Democrats only go after the easy targets. I usually am disgusted or angry with Democrats –this issue actually just makes me embarrassed for them. But they’re doing what they do best, marginalizing a minority with a poor public image. Democrats only go after the easy targets. Pushing hate and division again, what a despicable, despicable Majority Leader and party.

  7. theWord Says:

    Harry Reid is a gutless wimp which is why I have never been a fan and why I think GOP protestations about him as a “liberal champion” are ridiculous. The issue mw is that it was classic strategy for the GOP, Gin things up then slander anyone who disagrees with you (I can still hear traitor) and then wait for the gutless to shelve their humanity and agree with the Republican extremists. It’s cowardly and unAmerican.

    I would say you are blind if you didn’t see who is leading the atrocity and who is too gutless to stop it or go along after the fact. Shame on all of them but we know who is fanning the flames.

  8. theWord Says:

    Oh and for what it is worth, the fact that I can single out Reid as shameful and he does not have the majority view of his party and you can point to the thoughtful Republicans who are in an extreme minority in yours speaks volumes.

    Where’s George W who used this guy as an emissary? Talk about gutless. He could have made a courageous, principled statement like he had when he was President on the subject or taken the anything goes cynical approach. He blew it this time.

  9. mw Says:

    Where’s George W who used this guy as an emissary? – word

    Are you serious? I don’t know if you noticed, but George W is not president right now and has not been president for a while. There is another guy in the White House by the name of Barack Obama, and he is the guy who should be making a principled stand now. But I’ll tell what is more “gutless” – the Barack Obama flip-flop in tone and content between Friday night and Saturday morning. It was a study in cynical gutless political pandering.

    Just to be clear on where I stand – I completely agree with the Friday August 13 Barack Obama and totally opposed to the Saturday August 14 Barack Obama.

  10. theWord Says:

    Yes, I’m serious. They would have trouble with their former President calling them on the carpet but they ignore anything out of Obama’s mouth so he isn’t going to slow the hate down in the way Bush might.

    As to Obama, I wish he had shut up after Friday, I’d agree but I don’t think there is anything to totally oppose either — unless you want to be totally opposed in the first place. I think Obama was saying they have every right to be there and you have a right to your feelings. Until he says I think it should move, he isn’t even close to the knuckle-draggers on the right.

    I get the I wish it wasn’t going to be there but I think it is now more important that it is than it was if you can see that distinction.

  11. theWord Says:

    @mw and everyone else

    This is your chance I just called Mark McKinnon to thank him for taken a principled stand and Senator Reid for his Profile in Cowardice. Perhaps if everyone did the same, the hate mongers would slither back under a rock.

  12. mw Says:

    More Democrats running to jump on the bandwagon

    Are these Democrats “knuckle-draggers”, “hate mongers” or just “gutless”?

    You decide.

  13. theWord Says:

    @mw-

    I didn’t see the word Nazi in any of those so likely not knuckle draggers. Didn’t see any of them pitting us against all of Islam so not hate mongers. Possibly gutless. Certainly not courageous IMO. Anyone can be for rights and principles when it is popular and easy. It’s why we needed an amendment.

  14. mw Says:

    Breaking! Howard Dean is either a “knuckle-dragger”, “hate monger” or “gutless”.

  15. theWord Says:

    He’s wrong. I think that’s why they said people should grow a pair. That would say gutless. So I think I’ve proven I’m willing to call them as I see them and back it up. When will you?

    Again, the tone is quite different if you’d pay attention.

  16. kranky kritter Says:

    Before this controversy became so public, the best choice by far would have been for muslims to choose a site that did not feel “in your face” to upset Americans still stinging from 9/11. The site may well not have been an intentionally provocative choice, but it was insensitive to the feelings of some (probably many) Americans.

    But now? After the public sh!tstorm brewed by political opportunists? Leaving aside the perceptions of both partisan sides, the best choice would probably be for the muslims themselves to freely choose to use a different site instead. Respectful, gracious. However, now that this has become so public, every possible outcome will be seen through the lens of winners and losers. And even if muslims really do freely choose to opt for another site out of respect for the feelings of many Americans, most liberals will assume that the choice was coerced. And most conservatives who opposed the original site will also refuse to believe that muslims made this choice freely as a show of respect.

    Every conceivable outcome is polluted by politics and suspicion and partisanship and fear. What a shame.

  17. theWord Says:

    @Kranky
    It had to come to this.

    I don’t know how at this stage the words “freely choose” have any basis in reality. I also think that there are some who are well meaning but IMO wrong, there are others who are plying hate for a political purpose, there are some who are too gutless to take the principled stand and there are some who should step up and be leaders. I think Obama did that on Friday. I think that George Bush had done that in the past but really could have helped the process now. Every religious leader in America should be shouting it from their pulpits but then the money flow might stop if their beliefs actually made people realize they were being petty.

    I find it tiresome to constantly be equated as the opposite of the other side with partisan motives. I’m an atheist but I would support ANY religious group to have the right to their beliefs (unless they are crammed down the throats of people unwillingly-I’d say the same for atheists) Supporting someone else’s rights in a way that you would do consistently across the board is NOTHING like what Gingrich is doing.

    I do agree on one thing you said I think those opposed operate under an alternate reality where nothing will shake their view. Oddly, Mika Brzenski I think got it right. Something to the effect that yes emotionally I was uneasy with the spot but it’s a right and I needed to realize my gut should never compromise my principles.

    Saying that this is any different than any other group absent evidence is the definition of racism and prejudice. Why stop at Muslims. Why not every fundamentalist group of any stripe or all religions that spawn these actions? Why does an atheist have to defend the rights of these people?

  18. kranky kritter Says:

    Well word, I think there’s a worthwhile distinction to be made between having a right to do something and being right to do it.

    The muslims have a right to practice their religion as they see fit. No doubt.I don’t think anyone has a right to demand that they move the mosque. At the same time, I am very Ok with anyone asking this muslim group to use another location not so close to ground zero, for obvious reasons.

    Ideally, a religious leader is savvy and perceptive and in this context, conciliatory towards the views of others, especially those who have reason to be somewhat hostile. Such a perceptive leader would see that muslims have been given a very prominent and showy opportunity to demonstrate their respect and sensitivity towards folks who harbor suspicion of muslims subsequent to 9/11. To decline such an opportunity is to choose to be antagonistic, confrontative, provocative, unyielding, and insensitive. But they have the right to do that, as you point out.

    I sure don’t demand that this mosque be sighted elsewhere. But I wish it would be, and I wish the muslims in charge of this would take this opportunity to show some grace and understanding. Notwithstanding the fact that many of their opponents have note done so.

  19. theWord Says:

    Kranky-

    In an attempt to agree — Of course I agree with your first statement(I still think there is a right versus wrong here which you predictably seem to equate as equals in partisanship) It is why I didn’t think the statement Obama on Saturday was the big “walkback” that partisans are making it. One, he was covering his political butt from the blowback of the irresponsible ones. Two, he just said he wasn’t saying “Great (or bad) idea. It’s not my call but it is their right as Americans.”

    The “reason to be hostile” comment is IMO a really dangerous one. If these people were Al Quaeda or Hamas you may have a point but this is a guy who was sent by Bush with Karen Hughes to reach out to Muslims. Your brush is getting pretty broad here. I would expect that I would get roundly criticized for saying there should be no more Catholic Churches because they are part of an ongoing criminal enterprise. But I think there is more evidence and a more direct link than the one made to the COMMUNITY CENTER NOT AT GROUND ZERO by a person who has acted for us since 9/11.

    Harboring suspicion of ALL muslims is racist. I would think it is obvious.

    You said muslims have been given a very prominent and showy opportunity to demonstrate their respect and sensitivity towards folks who harbor suspicion of muslims subsequent to 9/11. To decline such an opportunity is to choose to be antagonistic, confrontative, provocative, unyielding, and insensitive. But they have the right to do that, as you point out.

    I might point out the opposite, America has been given the chance to show the world that the petty and the bigoted do not run this country and that even when it would be easy to be that way WE ARE BETTER THAN THAT. We are different and we are not the caricature often presented of us. We are giving the worst the right to speak for us again and it is disgusting IMO.

    Where are all the Preachers? Why are they not screaming it from their pulpits? While you are speaking of golden opportunities isn’t this one for them to show they actually have some morals and moral leadership?

    I’m not sure if this is a Shia or Sunni center or whether the hijackers were all one or the other but I do know that they were all religious. Should I have the right to demand that all religious centers close because that is offensive to me and they are a constant reminder of the carnage and intolerance?

  20. kranky kritter Says:

    I might point out the opposite, America has been given the chance to show the world that the petty and the bigoted do not run this country and that even when it would be easy to be that way WE ARE BETTER THAN THAT. We are different and we are not the caricature often presented of us. We are giving the worst the right to speak for us again and it is disgusting IMO.

    Quite true, in general. As a people, we do have an opportunity to be open-minded and not vengeful and suspicious. In the long run, we’ll likely get there on the mater of this mosque.

    But I do have to insist that there are plenty of folks who are troubled by the idea of this mosque and yet are not bigots or racists. And it’s important to notice that we’re talking way more about feelings than thought and ideas here. The memories and feelings from 9/11 are still raw, and people will feel the way they feel. Which is to say deeply saddened and appalled and angry at the ugly actions of a small but virulent group of terrorists who acted in the name of islam. Granted, there’s plenty of reason to believe that these folks were not at all representative of mainstream islamic faith.

    I’d like to follow up on the notion of feelings versus thoughts, by describing a brief sports analogy. Here in sports crazy Boston we are periodically treated to a discussion of whether a given ex=patriate deserves to be booed. Folks like Johnny Damon and Manny Ramirez got some boos. My take on it has for some time been that booing is not about what you think, it’s about how you feel.

    And in the case of this mosque, I think we’re talking about how many Americans feel about a mosque 2 blocks from the sight of an act of deadly islamic extremism. And I REALLY don’t think that re-experiencing all those feelings of sadness and anger necessarily makes anyone a subliminal bigot or whatever. It just makes you human.

    And I don’t expect most folks to reason their way away from how they feel about it. Not if they’re at all like me. because 9/11 was a decade ago, but it still feels like yesterday to me.

    I’m not sure if this is a Shia or Sunni center or whether the hijackers were all one or the other but I do know that they were all religious. Should I have the right to demand that all religious centers close because that is offensive to me and they are a constant reminder of the carnage and intolerance?

    Nope, neither you nor I nor anyone else has any right to demand anything here. What we have is our feelings, and it’s Ok to explain your feelings to someone and hope they’ll be given due consideration.

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