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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/23/the-war-on-porn/comment-page-1/#comment-2464</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2005 07:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This last comment was certainly enlightening...although that doesn&#039;t seem like the right verb. Jeez...I hope the money was worth it...and then some...and then, even more some...

Currently, I work with some people who worked at a company called Cycorp. They have been and are still trying to manually build a natural language corpus of knowledge. It&#039;s A.I., only it doesn&#039;t really work.

In any event, they&#039;ve told me stories about some of their coworkers having to build taxonomies for pr0n. And whether we like it or not, pr0n is one of the biggest cash cows (P.T.P.) of the internet, so it was certainly needed. I don&#039;t think I have to say that those people certainly didn&#039;t enjoy trying to find all of the words associated with &quot;bl0wj0b&quot; or &quot;cun+&quot;

And to your last paragraph, well, I&#039;m certainly ready for that discussion. 

As our Prez would say, &quot;Bring It On.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This last comment was certainly enlightening&#8230;although that doesn&#8217;t seem like the right verb. Jeez&#8230;I hope the money was worth it&#8230;and then some&#8230;and then, even more some&#8230;</p>
<p>Currently, I work with some people who worked at a company called Cycorp. They have been and are still trying to manually build a natural language corpus of knowledge. It&#8217;s A.I., only it doesn&#8217;t really work.</p>
<p>In any event, they&#8217;ve told me stories about some of their coworkers having to build taxonomies for pr0n. And whether we like it or not, pr0n is one of the biggest cash cows (P.T.P.) of the internet, so it was certainly needed. I don&#8217;t think I have to say that those people certainly didn&#8217;t enjoy trying to find all of the words associated with &#8220;bl0wj0b&#8221; or &#8220;cun+&#8221;</p>
<p>And to your last paragraph, well, I&#8217;m certainly ready for that discussion. </p>
<p>As our Prez would say, &#8220;Bring It On.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Callimachus</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/23/the-war-on-porn/comment-page-1/#comment-2459</link>
		<dc:creator>Callimachus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2005 07:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, let me enlighten you, though that hardly seems the right verb. A few years back, when I was looking for some extra cash, I helped compile an &quot;adult&quot; search engine for a major internet company who shall remain nameless (because that was part of my contract with them). As my chunk of the work, I undertook to compile all the &quot;fetish&quot; sites online, because it&#039;s one of the topics that fascinate me. I must have looked at 10,000 sites, including a share of animal-sex sites.

No, it&#039;s not pets, for the most part. I mean, did you ever try to screw a housecat? Don&#039;t answer that.

Farm animals, primarily. Horses, cows, that sort of thing. And some large dogs. Depends if its a F or M scene. One of the most fascinating sites was a detailed description of how to get a cow aroused. You reeeeeally don&#039;t want to know.

Believe me, unless that desire, that perversion, is firmly rooted in you from some very early age, beyond recollection or revision, you&#039;re not going to be converted by the pornography itself. The fetish pictures pose no risk to society. You don&#039;t hear of people confessing, &quot;I used to like sex with girls. Then I heard about sex with chickens. So, I thought, why not? ...&quot;

Which leaves the only possible government interest in this sort of pornography to be in the matter of distinguishing whether it was real or mock sex. You know, &quot;No donkeys were harmed in the making of this movie.&quot; But that seems to be a fairly minor matter and nothing that requires the attention of the FBI.

And frankly I&#039;m still not convinced that messing with a cow&#039;s pudenda is cruel to the cow to a degree that requires legal intervention.

You realize that your line is eventually going to run you into someone who says, &quot;The government says it&#039;s wrong to french kiss your Weimaraner, but it will help you kill your unborn child!&quot; And frankly I&#039;d be hard-put to stand up and explain why that ought to be so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, let me enlighten you, though that hardly seems the right verb. A few years back, when I was looking for some extra cash, I helped compile an &#8220;adult&#8221; search engine for a major internet company who shall remain nameless (because that was part of my contract with them). As my chunk of the work, I undertook to compile all the &#8220;fetish&#8221; sites online, because it&#8217;s one of the topics that fascinate me. I must have looked at 10,000 sites, including a share of animal-sex sites.</p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s not pets, for the most part. I mean, did you ever try to screw a housecat? Don&#8217;t answer that.</p>
<p>Farm animals, primarily. Horses, cows, that sort of thing. And some large dogs. Depends if its a F or M scene. One of the most fascinating sites was a detailed description of how to get a cow aroused. You reeeeeally don&#8217;t want to know.</p>
<p>Believe me, unless that desire, that perversion, is firmly rooted in you from some very early age, beyond recollection or revision, you&#8217;re not going to be converted by the pornography itself. The fetish pictures pose no risk to society. You don&#8217;t hear of people confessing, &#8220;I used to like sex with girls. Then I heard about sex with chickens. So, I thought, why not? &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Which leaves the only possible government interest in this sort of pornography to be in the matter of distinguishing whether it was real or mock sex. You know, &#8220;No donkeys were harmed in the making of this movie.&#8221; But that seems to be a fairly minor matter and nothing that requires the attention of the FBI.</p>
<p>And frankly I&#8217;m still not convinced that messing with a cow&#8217;s pudenda is cruel to the cow to a degree that requires legal intervention.</p>
<p>You realize that your line is eventually going to run you into someone who says, &#8220;The government says it&#8217;s wrong to french kiss your Weimaraner, but it will help you kill your unborn child!&#8221; And frankly I&#8217;d be hard-put to stand up and explain why that ought to be so.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/23/the-war-on-porn/comment-page-1/#comment-2457</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2005 05:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha. Cal can say &quot;sex&quot;! Yea!

Were you logged in? That&#039;s all I can guess that happened.

Very humorous points, but I can&#039;t just go out and kill a cow. I have to have all sorts of licenses to do that. However, you don&#039;t really need any licenses for common house pets and I&#039;d imagine that they&#039;re what&#039;s most often used in this type of grotesquery.

Wow, I can&#039;t believe I just used the word &quot;grotesquery&quot; in a sentence. How many points do I get for that one Cal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha. Cal can say &#8220;sex&#8221;! Yea!</p>
<p>Were you logged in? That&#8217;s all I can guess that happened.</p>
<p>Very humorous points, but I can&#8217;t just go out and kill a cow. I have to have all sorts of licenses to do that. However, you don&#8217;t really need any licenses for common house pets and I&#8217;d imagine that they&#8217;re what&#8217;s most often used in this type of grotesquery.</p>
<p>Wow, I can&#8217;t believe I just used the word &#8220;grotesquery&#8221; in a sentence. How many points do I get for that one Cal?</p>
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		<title>By: Callimachus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Callimachus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2005 03:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex</description>
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		<title>By: Callimachus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Callimachus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2005 03:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, it let me say &quot;sex.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, it let me say &#8220;sex.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Callimachus</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/23/the-war-on-porn/comment-page-1/#comment-2454</link>
		<dc:creator>Callimachus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2005 03:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, so b-stiality should be prosecuted as a violation of animal rights, not a morals offense. Then it&#039;s a job for the FDA, perhaps, not the AG&#039;s office. You can bludgeon your cow to death and eat it, but you can&#039;t f*** it. But what about pictures of merely &lt;i&gt;simulated&lt;/i&gt; sex acts with animals? And what if the dog jumped on the girl&#039;s leg &lt;i&gt;first?&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, so b-stiality should be prosecuted as a violation of animal rights, not a morals offense. Then it&#8217;s a job for the FDA, perhaps, not the AG&#8217;s office. You can bludgeon your cow to death and eat it, but you can&#8217;t f*** it. But what about pictures of merely <i>simulated</i> sex acts with animals? And what if the dog jumped on the girl&#8217;s leg <i>first?</i></p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/23/the-war-on-porn/comment-page-1/#comment-2453</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2005 03:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Just like in circuses?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, I think only the clowns eff the lions and the elephants. Does that count?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Just like in circuses?</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, I think only the clowns eff the lions and the elephants. Does that count?</p>
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		<title>By: Callimachus</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/23/the-war-on-porn/comment-page-1/#comment-2452</link>
		<dc:creator>Callimachus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://althouse.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ann Althouse&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; today quotes Antonin Scalia saying, &quot;The line between protected pornography and unprotected obscenity lies between appealing to a good healthy interest in sex and appealing to a depraved interest, whatever that means.&quot;

Her rejoinder is, &quot;What is less sexy than Scalia, et al, deciding what is &#039;a good healthy interest in sex&#039;?&quot;

Personally, I found the &quot;whatever that means&quot; telling.

Nothing about the consent of German shepherds in it, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://althouse.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"><b>Ann Althouse</b></a> today quotes Antonin Scalia saying, &#8220;The line between protected pornography and unprotected obscenity lies between appealing to a good healthy interest in sex and appealing to a depraved interest, whatever that means.&#8221;</p>
<p>Her rejoinder is, &#8220;What is less sexy than Scalia, et al, deciding what is &#8216;a good healthy interest in sex&#8217;?&#8221;</p>
<p>Personally, I found the &#8220;whatever that means&#8221; telling.</p>
<p>Nothing about the consent of German shepherds in it, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Callimachus</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/23/the-war-on-porn/comment-page-1/#comment-2448</link>
		<dc:creator>Callimachus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just like in circuses?</description>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/23/the-war-on-porn/comment-page-1/#comment-2447</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;OK, try again. Why should b-stiality be prosecutable? Who is the victim? Who is harmed by it?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The argument is that the animals, since they have no real say in the matter, are victims by default.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>OK, try again. Why should b-stiality be prosecutable? Who is the victim? Who is harmed by it?</p></blockquote>
<p>The argument is that the animals, since they have no real say in the matter, are victims by default.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Cal, we have spam blocking on, and s e x is blocked so we don&#039;t get deluged with crap. Maybe not the best idea for a post about p o r n.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Cal, we have spam blocking on, and s e x is blocked so we don&#8217;t get deluged with crap. Maybe not the best idea for a post about p o r n.</p>
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		<title>By: Callimachus</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/23/the-war-on-porn/comment-page-1/#comment-2444</link>
		<dc:creator>Callimachus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, try again. Why should b-stiality be prosecutable? Who is the victim? Who is harmed by it?

I want the government to have as light a hand as possible when it comes to 1. publication 2. s-x.

There is a clear line of interest for the criminal justice system to investigate non-consensual s-x. That includes s-x acts with those deemed incapable of giving consent (children/minors).

Beyond that, I&#039;m skeptical of any government role. How do you know the German shepherd doesn&#039;t like it? I&#039;d rather have my government use its time and my money for other, more pressing matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, try again. Why should b-stiality be prosecutable? Who is the victim? Who is harmed by it?</p>
<p>I want the government to have as light a hand as possible when it comes to 1. publication 2. s-x.</p>
<p>There is a clear line of interest for the criminal justice system to investigate non-consensual s-x. That includes s-x acts with those deemed incapable of giving consent (children/minors).</p>
<p>Beyond that, I&#8217;m skeptical of any government role. How do you know the German shepherd doesn&#8217;t like it? I&#8217;d rather have my government use its time and my money for other, more pressing matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Callimachus</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/23/the-war-on-porn/comment-page-1/#comment-2443</link>
		<dc:creator>Callimachus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evidently it&#039;s a bad word.</description>
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		<title>By: Callimachus</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/23/the-war-on-porn/comment-page-1/#comment-2442</link>
		<dc:creator>Callimachus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are comments working today? I&#039;m trying to add one here and it&#039;s not taking. Or am I using a bad word?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are comments working today? I&#8217;m trying to add one here and it&#8217;s not taking. Or am I using a bad word?</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/23/the-war-on-porn/comment-page-1/#comment-2437</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I think I originally titled it &quot;War on Pr0n&quot; as a nod to what hackers call it. But I felt that would get lost in the translation, so I switched it back.

And to ford4x4, our current or former Attorney General is most likely responsible for this. That&#039;s the top cop and they decide what they&#039;re going to try and prosecute. I could be wrong about where this decision came from, but that&#039;s the usual way things go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I think I originally titled it &#8220;War on Pr0n&#8221; as a nod to what hackers call it. But I felt that would get lost in the translation, so I switched it back.</p>
<p>And to ford4&#215;4, our current or former Attorney General is most likely responsible for this. That&#8217;s the top cop and they decide what they&#8217;re going to try and prosecute. I could be wrong about where this decision came from, but that&#8217;s the usual way things go.</p>
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		<title>By: Fcb</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/23/the-war-on-porn/comment-page-1/#comment-2434</link>
		<dc:creator>Fcb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless you&#039;ve since changed your title, it appears my browser has automatically corrected it? I love these little touches...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless you&#8217;ve since changed your title, it appears my browser has automatically corrected it? I love these little touches&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ford4x4</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/23/the-war-on-porn/comment-page-1/#comment-2428</link>
		<dc:creator>ford4x4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So who decided this squad was even needed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So who decided this squad was even needed?</p>
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