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	<title>Comments on: School Vouchers And Hurricane Katrina</title>
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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: Icepick</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/29/school-vouchers-and-hurricane-katrina/comment-page-1/#comment-2618</link>
		<dc:creator>Icepick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 15:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa, a good chunk of my first post got eaten. I wonder if I used an unintentional markup?

But yes, I was using the greater then and less than signs instead of brackets. Strange.....

Anyway, we now return to your regularly scheduled program of throwing Christians to the bureaucrats. Or Lions to the Bucs. Or something....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa, a good chunk of my first post got eaten. I wonder if I used an unintentional markup?</p>
<p>But yes, I was using the greater then and less than signs instead of brackets. Strange&#8230;..</p>
<p>Anyway, we now return to your regularly scheduled program of throwing Christians to the bureaucrats. Or Lions to the Bucs. Or something&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lonely Federalist</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/29/school-vouchers-and-hurricane-katrina/comment-page-1/#comment-2609</link>
		<dc:creator>Lonely Federalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yar, got it...sorry for the thread derailment. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yar, got it&#8230;sorry for the thread derailment. =)</p>
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		<title>By: Lonely Federalist</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/29/school-vouchers-and-hurricane-katrina/comment-page-1/#comment-2608</link>
		<dc:creator>Lonely Federalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Icepick...but it seems whatever legitimate tag delimiter you&#039;re using is being pulled out, hehe.  I&#039;m gonna take a guess &lt;b&gt;that it&#039;s html-style tags using greater/less than&lt;/b&gt; rather than UBB-style bracket tags?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Icepick&#8230;but it seems whatever legitimate tag delimiter you&#8217;re using is being pulled out, hehe.  I&#8217;m gonna take a guess <b>that it&#8217;s html-style tags using greater/less than</b> rather than UBB-style bracket tags?</p>
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		<title>By: Icepick</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/29/school-vouchers-and-hurricane-katrina/comment-page-1/#comment-2605</link>
		<dc:creator>Icepick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I can&#039;t get underline to work. But for quotes, use , and the like, but without the spaces and spelled correctly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I can&#8217;t get underline to work. But for quotes, use , and the like, but without the spaces and spelled correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: Icepick</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/29/school-vouchers-and-hurricane-katrina/comment-page-1/#comment-2604</link>
		<dc:creator>Icepick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lonely Federalist,

Use the  instead of [ and ] and the markup for italicizing, bolding and blockquotes should work. I haven&#039;t tried underline before, but if this shows up underlined, then it works. Not sure about other markups, though. Back to lurker mode....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lonely Federalist,</p>
<p>Use the  instead of [ and ] and the markup for italicizing, bolding and blockquotes should work. I haven&#8217;t tried underline before, but if this shows up underlined, then it works. Not sure about other markups, though. Back to lurker mode&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lonely Federalist</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/29/school-vouchers-and-hurricane-katrina/comment-page-1/#comment-2603</link>
		<dc:creator>Lonely Federalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Urgh...inline uninterpreted markup.  Can somebody point me to the supported tag documentation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Urgh&#8230;inline uninterpreted markup.  Can somebody point me to the supported tag documentation?</p>
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		<title>By: Lonely Federalist</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/29/school-vouchers-and-hurricane-katrina/comment-page-1/#comment-2602</link>
		<dc:creator>Lonely Federalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well then, could you elaborate on exactly what you were getting at in your original post, Justin?  

All I&#039;m getting out of your framing is that you&#039;re affronted that the government is providing funds for folks who were ALREADY sending their children to religious private schools at their own expense (because of lack of a general, non-emergency voucher program).  

Because, looking at the snippet you posted:

[quote]The proposal, which to this point is formalized only to the level of a few paragraphs in a press release, would give families displaced by the storm as much as $7,500 per child to spend [b]on a private school[/b], [u]including a religious school[/u], for the coming year.[/quote]

Reading closely, an observant reader would notice that the vouchers are good for ANY private school, not JUST religious private schools.

I&#039;m not seeing the same outrage from you over parents receiving the vouchers to continue sending their kids to private Montessory or Military schools.

I thought that originally, you might have been against the use of the evacuees&#039; status and the overall disaster situation as a means for the DOE implementing a voucher &quot;pilot&quot; program without a general legislative/congressional authorization to do so...in which case, I might be inclined to agree with you (despite my affirmative position on school vouchers).

Don&#039;t get all ill about debsay&#039;s interpretation of it.  Your display of dismay about the folks who sent their children to religious schools was unaccompanied by similar outrage toward their secular counterparts.

As I read it, you are simply stating the overall argument that vouchers, if allowed to be used by parents to send their children to a religious school of their choosing, constitutes government-endorsed religion.

(This is my first time using markup in comments here, and I&#039;ve been unable to find a list of supported markup tags for this host....the only thing uglier than comments without appropriate markup is uninterpreted raw markup in the post itself...so here&#039;s hoping, hehe).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well then, could you elaborate on exactly what you were getting at in your original post, Justin?  </p>
<p>All I&#8217;m getting out of your framing is that you&#8217;re affronted that the government is providing funds for folks who were ALREADY sending their children to religious private schools at their own expense (because of lack of a general, non-emergency voucher program).  </p>
<p>Because, looking at the snippet you posted:</p>
<p>[quote]The proposal, which to this point is formalized only to the level of a few paragraphs in a press release, would give families displaced by the storm as much as $7,500 per child to spend [b]on a private school[/b], [u]including a religious school[/u], for the coming year.[/quote]</p>
<p>Reading closely, an observant reader would notice that the vouchers are good for ANY private school, not JUST religious private schools.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not seeing the same outrage from you over parents receiving the vouchers to continue sending their kids to private Montessory or Military schools.</p>
<p>I thought that originally, you might have been against the use of the evacuees&#8217; status and the overall disaster situation as a means for the DOE implementing a voucher &#8220;pilot&#8221; program without a general legislative/congressional authorization to do so&#8230;in which case, I might be inclined to agree with you (despite my affirmative position on school vouchers).</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get all ill about debsay&#8217;s interpretation of it.  Your display of dismay about the folks who sent their children to religious schools was unaccompanied by similar outrage toward their secular counterparts.</p>
<p>As I read it, you are simply stating the overall argument that vouchers, if allowed to be used by parents to send their children to a religious school of their choosing, constitutes government-endorsed religion.</p>
<p>(This is my first time using markup in comments here, and I&#8217;ve been unable to find a list of supported markup tags for this host&#8230;.the only thing uglier than comments without appropriate markup is uninterpreted raw markup in the post itself&#8230;so here&#8217;s hoping, hehe).</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/29/school-vouchers-and-hurricane-katrina/comment-page-1/#comment-2598</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 03:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You are aware that ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‹Å“religious educationÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ does not just entail teaching from the Bible, right???? They teach Reading, Writing, Spelling, Geography, History, etc, etc, etcÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦..&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course, which is why they can get their religion from church, not school.

&lt;blockquote&gt;sheesh, I bet you would rather they just lose a year of school just so YOU donÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t have to be offended that they can attend a ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‹Å“RELIGIOUSÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ schoolÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Alright, you caught me. In fact, I don&#039;t want ANY kids to got to ANY religious schools ever. And while we&#039;re at it, let&#039;s make all private institutions into Godless public institutions. That would warm my bleeding liberal heart.

Please...let&#039;s stick to what I actually said instead of suggesting things that are false and betray a very dismissive point of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You are aware that ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‹Å“religious educationÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ does not just entail teaching from the Bible, right???? They teach Reading, Writing, Spelling, Geography, History, etc, etc, etcÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦..</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course, which is why they can get their religion from church, not school.</p>
<blockquote><p>sheesh, I bet you would rather they just lose a year of school just so YOU donÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t have to be offended that they can attend a ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‹Å“RELIGIOUSÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ schoolÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦</p></blockquote>
<p>Alright, you caught me. In fact, I don&#8217;t want ANY kids to got to ANY religious schools ever. And while we&#8217;re at it, let&#8217;s make all private institutions into Godless public institutions. That would warm my bleeding liberal heart.</p>
<p>Please&#8230;let&#8217;s stick to what I actually said instead of suggesting things that are false and betray a very dismissive point of view.</p>
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		<title>By: debsay</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2005/09/29/school-vouchers-and-hurricane-katrina/comment-page-1/#comment-2591</link>
		<dc:creator>debsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are aware that &#039;religious education&#039; does not just entail teaching from the Bible, right????  They teach Reading, Writing, Spelling, Geography, History, etc, etc, etc.....   
They even do it better that the &#039;public&#039; schools do (if you measure success by students that continue on to college)...  what is the problem here.... A catholic school is not just a Sunday School...  sheesh, I bet you would rather they just lose a year of school just so YOU don&#039;t have to be offended that they can attend a &#039;RELIGIOUS&#039; school...  If the school in question is accredited... WHO CARES!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are aware that &#8216;religious education&#8217; does not just entail teaching from the Bible, right????  They teach Reading, Writing, Spelling, Geography, History, etc, etc, etc&#8230;..<br />
They even do it better that the &#8216;public&#8217; schools do (if you measure success by students that continue on to college)&#8230;  what is the problem here&#8230;. A catholic school is not just a Sunday School&#8230;  sheesh, I bet you would rather they just lose a year of school just so YOU don&#8217;t have to be offended that they can attend a &#8216;RELIGIOUS&#8217; school&#8230;  If the school in question is accredited&#8230; WHO CARES!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: ford4x4</title>
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		<dc:creator>ford4x4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really unhappy with all the handouts that the government is already giving out.   It&#039;s just going to make a bad entitlement mentality in this country worse.

However,  since they&#039;re already shelling out the dough...
Many great business and political leaders - (heh - I used &quot;great&quot; and &quot;political leader&quot; in the same sentence)- come from private schools.
Maybe the govt is just thinking ahead.  Why ruin these kids by exposing them to public school now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really unhappy with all the handouts that the government is already giving out.   It&#8217;s just going to make a bad entitlement mentality in this country worse.</p>
<p>However,  since they&#8217;re already shelling out the dough&#8230;<br />
Many great business and political leaders &#8211; (heh &#8211; I used &#8220;great&#8221; and &#8220;political leader&#8221; in the same sentence)- come from private schools.<br />
Maybe the govt is just thinking ahead.  Why ruin these kids by exposing them to public school now?</p>
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