The Bore On Christmas

By Justin Gardner | Related entries in Religion, The World

Okay, show of hands…

Who’s getting sick of Fox News trying to push the “War On Christmas” meme? Who agrees with Fox?

Personally, I think this is a pretty weird push by Fox, and a fairly transparently partisan one at that. Also, as far as I can see, nobody else besides Fox is pushing this story. But I have seen our local Fox affiliate here in Kansas City pick it up and run with it in no less than two stories in four days.

And really, war? That’s just plain disrespectful to our men and women around the globe fighting the various fronts of on the war on terrorism. Not to mention that I think this argument basically boils down to a want by some conservatives to further commercialize a holiday that should be less about what we buy and more about who we’re with.

In any event, let’s get some discussion going. I’d like to hear your thoughts.


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11 Responses to “The Bore On Christmas”

  1. Phillip J. Birmingham Says:

    I remember last year, some people were bitching that the Post Office was putting out a “Holiday Traditional” stamp rather than a Christmas stamp.

    Obviously they hadn’t actually looked at the frickin’ stamp, which said “CHRISTMAS” in caps at the top, and featured a portrait of Mary and Jesus.

    If this year’s campaign features a similar attention to detail, it should be amusing.

  2. rob Says:

    I don’t see the problem. I’m an atheist and I celebrate christmas. I eve put up a tree. My kids check their stockings on christmas morning. We have a christmas party for my family.

    To be honest I don’t see a lot of religion in christmas.
    Santa, Frosty the snowman, elves, that’s christmas to me.

    Maybe that is what has frosted the religious right.

  3. Joshua Says:

    To be honest I don’t see a lot of religion in christmas.
    Santa, Frosty the snowman, elves, that’s christmas to me.

    Maybe that is what has frosted the religious right.

    I think you’re right. It’s not just public institutions or the ACLU that are “taking Christ out of Christmas,” it’s also a host of high-profile (and not-so-high-profile) businesses, such as department stores who have co-opted Christmas as a commercial holiday.

    It should also be noted that Fox News itself had to be prodded to walk its talk on this matter. I can’t find the link, but last week some blogger pointed out that the Fox Christmas tree ornaments being sold on their site said “Happy Holidays”, not “Merry Christmas”. Now, I don’t mind “Happy Holidays” myself [I've always regarded that expression as covering New Year's along with Christmas, not necessarily Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Boxing Day or even my birthday (the 28th)], but for Fox to engage in the same conduct it is so publicly railing against is hypocrisy.

  4. Dave Says:

    Fox News is going off the deep end on this one. Just a few days ago they were dicussing how if the liberals win their war on Christmas, the US economy would be destroyed!

  5. rob Says:

    Johua – It sounds like you are complaining that christ has been taken out of christmas. Is that true?

  6. ford4x4 Says:

    I, like rob, am an athiest who celebrates Christmas. When I was a kid, I saw it as a religous holiday. Now, thanks to Wal-Mart et al, I think it’s purely a commercial holiday for most people.

    The issue seems to be whether religous displays on government property are allowed by the constitution or not. I think spending tax dollars on these displays is wrong, but for reasons other than Church/State. However, if a private organization wants to host a live nativity scene on the courthouse lawn, what’s the problem? I’m not offended by that at all. If you are more offended by the Ten Commandments in a courtroom than you are by Howard Stern, you’ve got a few personal issues to deal with.

  7. rob Says:

    ford4x4
    I am more offended by the 10 commandments in the court house than Howard Stern.

    Why? Because I can turn Stern off, in fact I don’t ever have to turn him on. But I don’t want my government run by a particular religion. Those fundies scare me. All they seem to want is to tell me how to live.

    But your example of a private group putting up a nativity scene, doen’t bother me. As long as a private group can put up a star of david, or something commemorting Ramadan, etc. etc.

    Now that I think about it, the problem is how do you keep the KKK out of the front lawn. Are they allowed to burn crosses?

  8. ford4x4 Says:

    Howard Stern’s mere existance offends me more than a 10 Commandments poster ever could. I don’t believe that it shows that some fundies are running the government in the Name of God, it just shows that at least some members of govt adhere to the moral values put forth in the bible.

    The KKK burning a cross on the lawn of the courthouse isn’t a religous expression, and they are probably breaking a few laws regarding open fires in the process. Regardless of whether or not the KKK could be considered a “religion”, and as much as I dislike what they stand for, I think they are still allowed their freedom of speech.

  9. Justin Gardner Says:

    It should also be noted that Fox News itself had to be prodded to walk its talk on this matter. I can’t find the link, but last week some blogger pointed out that the Fox Christmas tree ornaments being sold on their site said “Happy Holidays�, not “Merry Christmas�. Now, I don’t mind “Happy Holidays� myself [I’ve always regarded that expression as covering New Year’s along with Christmas, not necessarily Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Boxing Day or even my birthday (the 28th)], but for Fox to engage in the same conduct it is so publicly railing against is hypocrisy.

    Well, this was pretty much all hyped by O’Reilly, so I don’t know how much control they have over them.

    But to the point that we’re talking about Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas, can’t we just have both? I just find it a bit weird that this is even an issue, since there are OTHER holidays during this season. True, Christmas is the biggest one, but why does everybody have such a problem with being inclusive?

    I think what really wrankled people was the Clintons calling the Christmas Tree and Holiday Tree. I believe they did that. And that pissed off the anti-PC police, who thought things had gone too far once again. And hey, fair enough, but shouldn’t we strive for more inclusivity instead of less?

  10. CRZYPRPLMNKY Says:

    Well, i think the main point is that religious counservatives are so peranoid about their children being “corrupted”, and the “values” (rich white people) of this great (indepted, low test-scoring, fat) country being tarnish’d, that they are willing to do anything to protect themselves; like a hive of bees, they demonize anything that threatens their narrow way of life.

    Thank you for reading (i doubt anyone will) and may your testicals never wither and fall off.
    Goodnight, and good luck

  11. Justin Gardner Says:

    Thank you for reading (i doubt anyone will) and may your testicals never wither and fall off. Goodnight, and good luck

    Ha! Now that’s a comment worthy of both praise and scorn.

    Well done Crz…commenter #10. ;-)

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