Tancredo’s Take On Illegal Aliens

By Justin Gardner | Related entries in Social Programs, The War On Terrorism

Listen, I agree that we should erect some sort of barrier to provide deterrence against people crossing the border. However, I disagree with the other measures he proposes because they are WAY too strict. We should be thinking about earned amensty for illegals who’ve joined our society, instead of prosecuting them, their families and anybody who may hire them unwittingly.

So does the Opinion Journal.


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16 Responses to “Tancredo’s Take On Illegal Aliens”

  1. DosPeros Says:

    Here is my brother’s column in the Boulder Weekly about Tancredo’s head up his ano on immigration.

    http://www.boulderweekly.com/archive/121505/waynesword.html

  2. ford4x4 Says:

    One of my primary beefs with this administration is that they’ve done nothing to secure the borders.

    I read both the Opinion Journal piece and Dosperos’ link. I think they both misrepresent how many Americans feel. I have absolutely no problem with Mexicans. In the area where I live, they provide much of the labor on farms. They are well paid, and they work their butts off.
    Apparently, Mexican culture still teaches a strong work ethic, unlike American culture. So I have no problem with them “stealing” jobs from Americans. We let them take the jobs because we are too lazy to do them ourselves.

    The problem I have is that there are laws that say these people are “illegal”, and even though they are illegal, we still give them government assistance in the form of welfare, food stamps, WIC, etc.
    I have a hard enough time with American citizens living off welfare, much less illegals. On top of this, the wages they earn are “under the table”, and no taxes are paid. So they are getting free handouts, and putting nothing back in. Many of these people send their dollars back to Mexico to their extended families. The American dollar is one of the greatest things ever to happen to Mexico’s economy.

    The argument (from Opinion Journal) that the years of border control that we’ve tried have done nothing is horribly weak. Just because we’ve done it wrong, we should just give up? Maybe we should try better tactics. Building a big wall would be a good step. For me, a better choice would be to pull 75% of the US Forces out of Europe, and put them on the American borders. But hey, as long as they are willing to try something to make the borders more secure, that’s fine with me.

  3. DosPeros Says:

    ford4X4:

    I’m sure that you can now produce sound statistics or data of some type to back your assertion that all these illegal immigrants are taking government entitlements.

    I mean if this is the BASIS of your argument for building a giant wall and moving the military onto the border — I would hope that it is supported by something more than anecdotal evidence, or the even more suspicious “common knowledge”, but actual numbers that can be verified.

    While you are collecting that evidence, I would suggest that the next time you buy a head of lettuce or tomato or have drywall installed in a new house or hire a law service company — you thank the “illegal” Mexican for the price you just paid.

  4. ford4x4 Says:

    I do base my knowledge on what I’ve read, or seen on tv over the past 20 years. Anectdotal? I think not. Don’t you think that if an illegal gets sick or hurt, and goes to the hospital, he will be treated? Since he can’t pay for it, you and I do.
    Rather than list 100 links here to back it up, just google:
    “illegal aliens on US Welfare”
    and read any of the first few articles that pop up. There’s ample evidence. It’s not hard to for them to do. The bleeding hearts have left plenty of loopholes for them.

    Much of the produce picked on the bigger farms in this country is done by legal migrants. They are paid a fair wage. Nowhere near as much as a UAW member, but still fair. I have no problem with that. I’m probably the most anti-union person that posts on this site, so you’ll not here me complain about them “stealing” american jobs. It’s the stealing of american tax dollars that bother me.

  5. ford4x4 Says:

    clarification -
    I don’t post here, I comment. Sorry Justin :)

  6. Justin Gardner Says:

    Well, the Government Account Office thinks that immigrants are getting entitlements. And they’re a non-partisan watchdog over our entire system. So I think Ford is right DosPeros.

  7. DosPeros Says:

    Of course there are illegal immigrants that are receiving government entitlements. I suggest we kick them out of the country, along with the legal immigrants and U.S. citizens receiving government entitlements.

    The crux of Ford4X4′s argument seems to be that illegal immigrants have a net negative effect on the U.S. economy. To come to this conclusion, one would have to prove this: Illegal Immigrants = government entitlements > economic production. The GAO told me no such thing and when I googled “Illegal Immigrants Suck Economic Life Out of the United States” — I still couldn’t find anything that showed me a net negative economic effect of illegal immigration.

    Yes, very often the illegal immigrant is either paid “under the table” or as an independent contractor, in which no FICA or worker comp. is paid. Oh, what a horrible economic concept!! UNTAXED INCOME, be still my beating heart. That is going to screw up the economy terribly.

    Unfair maybe, but I don’t buy the argument that illegal immigrants have a negative effect on our national economy. If that were the case, U.S. businesses wouldn’t welcome them with open arms. If California is have a financial crunch because of entitlements paid to illegal immigrants there is a simple solution: STOP PAYING ENTITLEMENTS TO THEM. The problem isn’t with illegal immigrants, it is with a welfare state.

    If you think otherwise, please ask yourself this question: If we cut all the entitlement programs, from public schools to Medicaid, by 75%would the flow of illegal immigrants stop? Are they coming over because of the promise of LBJ’s Great Society? Answer: NO. They are coming because there is a labor demand that they can fill and make money. If they were coming over for the great entitlements, why wouldn’t they bring all their children. Instead, we hear about how they send all the money they make back to their families in their country of origin.

  8. Denise Best Says:

    DosPeros,

    Respectfully, illegal immigration does present the following (economic) risk factors … source – http://www.newsbatch.com/immigration.htm

    Greater poverty Because immigrants occupy low income employment, their wages are low and they are more affected by downturns in the economy. In comparison to natives, they tend not to have health insurance and need to resort to public assistance more often.

    More educational costs Immigrant children and the children of immigrants account for a disproportionate amount of public education costs than do natives due to the greater birth rate for Hispanics and need for more intensive instruction. Immigrants have significantly lower educational attainment than do natives.

    Lower unskilled wage levels Even studies that suggest that immigrants generate an overall increase in wage levels, acknowledge that they negatively impact wages in the low skill occupation sectors that they occupy.

    These aspects would seem to offer sufficient examples of the type of negative economic impacts you were disputing in ford’s reply.

  9. ford4x4 Says:

    Yes, very often the illegal immigrant is either paid “under the table� or as an independent contractor, in which no FICA or worker comp. is paid. Oh, what a horrible economic concept!! UNTAXED INCOME, be still my beating heart. That is going to screw up the economy terribly.

    By your argument, I should leave the country, renounce my citizenship, then come back illegally so I can work without paying taxes.

    I hate paying taxes as much as the next guy, but if I have to, so do they!

  10. Justin Gardner Says:

    I don’t mind paying taxes, but I do mind others not paying taxes and getting money from these entitlement programs. That’s not right.

  11. DosPeros Says:

    Well, so far all we’ve done is prove that a lot of low-income people receive government entitlements and that a lot of immigrants (lets forget about the “illegal” part) tend to be in this class of people.

    It is good to know that we are using smart bombing in the “War on Poverty.” Ford, you’re advocating for a greater welfare state — one that can lavish entitlements on its members in the security of jingoism to the detriment of the market.

    I encourage you doing whatever the hell it takes to keep as much of your money as legally possible from the federal government. Your issue is with the Welfare State, not the people.

    God bless 2006, legal and illegal alike.

  12. jeff Says:

    >>DosPeros Says: …have drywall installed in a new house or hire a law service company â€â€? you thank the “illegalâ€Â? Mexican for the price you just paid.
    Sorry but you couldn’t but you couldn’t be more wrong or more racist and classis in your comments.
    I am an American, I am a veteran and I am a drywall installer and I’ve seen illegal immigration depress wages to 1980 prices for installers while employers make huge profits.
    I see crews of workers paid below minimum wage, housed and supplied for to the employer by labor brokers who skim off the workers wages.
    I’ve seen workers ripped off by employers on prevailing wage jobs and honest employers being denied the opportunity to even bid on projects unless they exploit workers

    I see little difference in liberals and conservatives on this issue. In SC developers stated the made over $1 billion in extra profits simply because of the supply of illegal immigrants. That means that construction workers LOST $1B in wages they could have put into their pockets.

    The reality is we wouldn’t have these problems if workers regardless of their status could bring suit against employers for ripping them off and if employers would be fined $10k for each undocumented worker they hired.

    This is a problem created by the wealthy conservatives and democrats at the expence of the working class.

  13. Chas Says:

    No one can accuse politicians of having a grasp for the obvious of portends to come. If there is one lesson to be learned during this massive protest, it’d be that “undocumented workers” CAN be organized.

    Wait until some union leaders start organizing immigrants to rally for increased wages and benefit against those who employ them. The prospect of union membership and a better way of life will open the floodgates for immigrants to come here possibly, at even two or three times the rate they’re arriving now. At the same time, it will empower unions to levels unprecedented in their history, with the ability to shut down entire industries with job actions.

    And when these industries who chose to hire these “undocumented workers” for cheap labor in the first place, find themselves the target for unionization and want help from Washington, only then, will the politicians listen. However, it’ll be too late

  14. Peter3dogs Says:

    We must close the border.That is a simple public safety necessity.
    If employers don’t want to pay the state or fed.minimum wage,they have an alternative.They can raise prices or close up shop.Lots of small farmers can supply better produce than the agribusinesses out west.
    They don’t teach a “work ethic ” in mexico.They don’t “PAY”.
    Whenever I hear supposed “americans “say that americans just won’t work anymore,it means on thing.Those people are out of touch w/ what it takes to live in todays present society.
    When I came out of H.S.I could earn,w/no skills,4times the minimum wage.
    In the last 20 years a bunch of TRAITORS HAVE ALLOWED&CONVINCED THE CONGRESS&OUR PRESIDENTS TO ALLOW INCREASED IMPORTS AS A WAY TO MANITAIN OUR”STANDARD OF LIVING”
    This is penny wise&pound foolish.
    No One would be complaining if jobs were offering 4x the min.wage&THEN jobs were unfilled.
    BUT when most restaurant &LOWER INCOME jobs are taken over by people who pay no taxes&suck health care&emergency&police costs like it is going out of style THEN AMERICANS ARE HAVING A HARD TIME PAYING TO SUPPORT THEIR OWN KIDS THEN WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
    We should just let those illegals back on the buses&head them down to the mexican border&&SHUT THE GATE BEHIND THEM.
    Then if they come through a second time ,then we lock em up for a year in concentration camps.&SEND THEM BACK W/ AK47′S&
    Let the rich in Mexico solve there own problems

  15. Peter3Dogs Says:

    One more thing,,those that say “americans just don’t want to work anymore,,or mexicans have a better work ethic,,HATE AMERICANS.&want them to work for Starvation wages&&are the probelm w/MY Country&should go find another country to live in if they hate AMERICANS SO MUCH.

  16. STEPHEN M SALIGA Says:

    build the fence, are we a country of law or not , we americans have to obey the laws and your telling me illegals do not . many americans died for the rule of law . send illegals to the back of the line behind those who enter the legal way. stop this anchor baby system , jail employers who hire them. [illegals]. do you americans want your future children to have to compete with millions of people who have no right to be here. stop the corrupt mexican government, they are allowing dope and their wefare millions to enter the u.s. we have 9 guest worker programs in the u.s. how many do we need. build the fence, enforce the laws, we don.t need to over populate the united states. steve.

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