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	<title>Comments on: John Edwards Quitting Race Today</title>
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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/01/30/john-edwards-quitting-race-today/#comment-390053</link>
		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting artifact of the Democratic Party process, is that no delegates are required to vote for the candidate selected in their State primary or caucus. None. The delegates are &lt;i&gt;expected&lt;/i&gt; to vote for the candidates they represent at the convention, but are not &lt;i&gt;required&lt;/i&gt; to vote for those candidates.Certainly they probably &lt;i&gt;will&lt;/i&gt; vote for the candidate they represent, since the candidate's organization select the delegates apportioned to them and only pick loyalists.  But the fact is, the delegates are all free agents at the convention and are free to vote their conscience or sell their vote to the highest bidder as they see fit.

So Edwards theoretically has 26 regular delegates 27 Super delegates pledged to him for a total of 53. They are all free agents now. I am sure the back room wheeling and dealing with these delegates is intense.  In that kind of a up close and personal knife fight, I give the edge to the Clinton organization. They are just better at this sort of thing. 

But, there is no need to limit this discussion  to Edward’s 53 delegates. &lt;b&gt;None of the delegates are bound.&lt;/b&gt; Not Clintons. Not Obamas. More on the rule and delegate count &lt;a href="http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/convention-delegates-not-bound-to.html" rel="nofollow"&gt; here&lt;/a&gt;.

If this actually goes to the convention undecided, it will be a free-for-all. And in that setting, again I'd suggest - advantage Clinton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting artifact of the Democratic Party process, is that no delegates are required to vote for the candidate selected in their State primary or caucus. None. The delegates are <i>expected</i> to vote for the candidates they represent at the convention, but are not <i>required</i> to vote for those candidates.Certainly they probably <i>will</i> vote for the candidate they represent, since the candidate&#8217;s organization select the delegates apportioned to them and only pick loyalists.  But the fact is, the delegates are all free agents at the convention and are free to vote their conscience or sell their vote to the highest bidder as they see fit.</p>
<p>So Edwards theoretically has 26 regular delegates 27 Super delegates pledged to him for a total of 53. They are all free agents now. I am sure the back room wheeling and dealing with these delegates is intense.  In that kind of a up close and personal knife fight, I give the edge to the Clinton organization. They are just better at this sort of thing. </p>
<p>But, there is no need to limit this discussion  to Edward’s 53 delegates. <b>None of the delegates are bound.</b> Not Clintons. Not Obamas. More on the rule and delegate count <a href="http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/convention-delegates-not-bound-to.html" rel="nofollow"> here</a>.</p>
<p>If this actually goes to the convention undecided, it will be a free-for-all. And in that setting, again I&#8217;d suggest - advantage Clinton.</p>
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		<title>By: Agnostick</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/01/30/john-edwards-quitting-race-today/#comment-390044</link>
		<dc:creator>Agnostick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, a couple of questions about all this...

1) Justin, what counting method do you use to come up with 58 delegates for Edwards?  Not being snide, but when you look at...

CNN... http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#D

Fox... http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/01/29/national-delegate-count-tally/

MSNBC... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21660914

the numbers are, literally and figuratively, all over the map.

2) What happens to these delegates once Edwards bows out?  Are these delegates then obligated to vote for whoever he endorses?  Do they become "undedicated?"  Are they obligated to vote for the primary winner in their respective state?

Thanks!

--"Ag"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, a couple of questions about all this&#8230;</p>
<p>1) Justin, what counting method do you use to come up with 58 delegates for Edwards?  Not being snide, but when you look at&#8230;</p>
<p>CNN&#8230; <a href="http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#D" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#D</a></p>
<p>Fox&#8230; <a href="http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/01/29/national-delegate-count-tally/" rel="nofollow">http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/01/29/national-delegate-count-tally/</a></p>
<p>MSNBC&#8230; <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21660914" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21660914</a></p>
<p>the numbers are, literally and figuratively, all over the map.</p>
<p>2) What happens to these delegates once Edwards bows out?  Are these delegates then obligated to vote for whoever he endorses?  Do they become &#8220;undedicated?&#8221;  Are they obligated to vote for the primary winner in their respective state?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>&#8211;&#8221;Ag&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy the Dhimmi</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/01/30/john-edwards-quitting-race-today/#comment-390043</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Dhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;ending a scrappy underdog bid in which he steered his rivals toward progressive ideals while grappling with family hardship that roused voters’ sympathies but never diverted his campaign, The Associated Press has learned.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That's a heck of a lot of unbiased, un-opinionated, objective information learned by the Associated Press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>ending a scrappy underdog bid in which he steered his rivals toward progressive ideals while grappling with family hardship that roused voters’ sympathies but never diverted his campaign, The Associated Press has learned.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a heck of a lot of unbiased, un-opinionated, objective information learned by the Associated Press.</p>
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