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	<title>Comments on: Will Ron Paul Or Michael Bloomberg Run?</title>
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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: redfish</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/01/30/will-ron-paul-or-michael-bloomberg-run/#comment-390203</link>
		<dc:creator>redfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bloomberg's ceiling his higher though. An earlier Rasmussen poll asked something like "would you consider voting for Bloomberg". I think 29% said yes. (and he still is unknown to a lot of people). Ron Paul's ceiling is a lot lower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloomberg&#8217;s ceiling his higher though. An earlier Rasmussen poll asked something like &#8220;would you consider voting for Bloomberg&#8221;. I think 29% said yes. (and he still is unknown to a lot of people). Ron Paul&#8217;s ceiling is a lot lower.</p>
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		<title>By: jp</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/01/30/will-ron-paul-or-michael-bloomberg-run/#comment-390191</link>
		<dc:creator>jp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would paul run?  Then he'd get torn to shreds when they revist the newsletters he's been caught lying about and shown to at best be a knowing party in Racist, bigoted, homophobic and Conspiratorial Profiteering?  He's on record in 1996 saying he did write them, now he's claiming over 17 years he never knew???  yeah right.  Plus as this blog has shown, the financial records prove he was paying his Wife and Daughter from the profits.

the media and political process could tear him to shreds with just that alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would paul run?  Then he&#8217;d get torn to shreds when they revist the newsletters he&#8217;s been caught lying about and shown to at best be a knowing party in Racist, bigoted, homophobic and Conspiratorial Profiteering?  He&#8217;s on record in 1996 saying he did write them, now he&#8217;s claiming over 17 years he never knew???  yeah right.  Plus as this blog has shown, the financial records prove he was paying his Wife and Daughter from the profits.</p>
<p>the media and political process could tear him to shreds with just that alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/01/30/will-ron-paul-or-michael-bloomberg-run/#comment-390175</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul's best bet is to stick it out until the nomination is awarded or there's a brokered convention.

If there is a nominee, Paul should go back to the senate, crystallize his thoughts and start writing detailed proposals (without skimping on the specifics or facts) as to what he'd like to see happen with the country. Possibly form or endorse a government watchdog group. 

If there's a brokered convention he should take whatever he can grab and then do what I previously suggested.

He has the capacity to shape voters opinion, because he's knowledgeable and has integrity, and his straight-forward honest approach appeals to moderates, young voters and the disenfranchised. This capacity can allow him to affect what issues the parties address and how they address them.

He can have a significant impact on the country over the next decade maybe two, but it’s not going to be as President. He’s not going to win this year and realistically he’s too old to run again, but he doesn't need to be President to help fix the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul&#8217;s best bet is to stick it out until the nomination is awarded or there&#8217;s a brokered convention.</p>
<p>If there is a nominee, Paul should go back to the senate, crystallize his thoughts and start writing detailed proposals (without skimping on the specifics or facts) as to what he&#8217;d like to see happen with the country. Possibly form or endorse a government watchdog group. </p>
<p>If there&#8217;s a brokered convention he should take whatever he can grab and then do what I previously suggested.</p>
<p>He has the capacity to shape voters opinion, because he&#8217;s knowledgeable and has integrity, and his straight-forward honest approach appeals to moderates, young voters and the disenfranchised. This capacity can allow him to affect what issues the parties address and how they address them.</p>
<p>He can have a significant impact on the country over the next decade maybe two, but it’s not going to be as President. He’s not going to win this year and realistically he’s too old to run again, but he doesn&#8217;t need to be President to help fix the country.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/01/30/will-ron-paul-or-michael-bloomberg-run/#comment-390172</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm asking what if they both run on separate tickets, as the poll suggests. I agree that they'd never run on the same ticket. Definitely not what I meant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m asking what if they both run on separate tickets, as the poll suggests. I agree that they&#8217;d never run on the same ticket. Definitely not what I meant.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim S</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/01/30/will-ron-paul-or-michael-bloomberg-run/#comment-390169</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You would never see a ticket with both Paul and Bloomberg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would never see a ticket with both Paul and Bloomberg.</p>
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		<title>By: Agnostick</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/01/30/will-ron-paul-or-michael-bloomberg-run/#comment-390165</link>
		<dc:creator>Agnostick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin, when you ask, "But what if BOTH of them run?"... are you asking:

1) What if both of them run, concurrently, against each other (as well as the Demican and Republocrat nominees)...?

OR

2) What if the two join forces and run under one ticket?  Bloomberg-Paul or Paul-Bloomberg?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin, when you ask, &#8220;But what if BOTH of them run?&#8221;&#8230; are you asking:</p>
<p>1) What if both of them run, concurrently, against each other (as well as the Demican and Republocrat nominees)&#8230;?</p>
<p>OR</p>
<p>2) What if the two join forces and run under one ticket?  Bloomberg-Paul or Paul-Bloomberg?</p>
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		<title>By: PoliGazette &#187; Don Quixote Nader (Plus 2)</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/01/30/will-ron-paul-or-michael-bloomberg-run/#comment-390162</link>
		<dc:creator>PoliGazette &#187; Don Quixote Nader (Plus 2)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] leftist gadfly Ralph Nader is toying with yet another presidential run.  Added to the prospects of third-party challenges by well-funded pseudo-libertarian R0n Paul and/or self-funded moderate Michael Bloomberg, this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] leftist gadfly Ralph Nader is toying with yet another presidential run.  Added to the prospects of third-party challenges by well-funded pseudo-libertarian R0n Paul and/or self-funded moderate Michael Bloomberg, this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cedric</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/01/30/will-ron-paul-or-michael-bloomberg-run/#comment-390158</link>
		<dc:creator>Cedric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you right, mw. We do need him more in congress... but consider this. He's done more to save our country and wake people up in the past year of campaigning, than he's done his entire time in congress.

Here's my take. I think he's waiting to see how strong his support is on Feb 5th, if it's not quite enough to give a good shot in a brokered convention, but strong none the less. I can see him going for it. He's waiting to see how things pan out, thats just smart. One thing is for sure, if he runs third party, his new donation totals would far surpass anything we've seen thus far. Although it's harder to get on the ballot, if you have cash pouring in, its not quite as hard. Also, getting enough votes might be easier than anyone expects, when everyone can vote, and the only other options are Hitlery or an Insane-Mccain/Ghoulian ticket.

Bloomberg, of course, is waiting to see if RP is going to run 3rd party, because if he does run, the Republicans need him to save their ass. Whatcha think?

Cedric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you right, mw. We do need him more in congress&#8230; but consider this. He&#8217;s done more to save our country and wake people up in the past year of campaigning, than he&#8217;s done his entire time in congress.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my take. I think he&#8217;s waiting to see how strong his support is on Feb 5th, if it&#8217;s not quite enough to give a good shot in a brokered convention, but strong none the less. I can see him going for it. He&#8217;s waiting to see how things pan out, thats just smart. One thing is for sure, if he runs third party, his new donation totals would far surpass anything we&#8217;ve seen thus far. Although it&#8217;s harder to get on the ballot, if you have cash pouring in, its not quite as hard. Also, getting enough votes might be easier than anyone expects, when everyone can vote, and the only other options are Hitlery or an Insane-Mccain/Ghoulian ticket.</p>
<p>Bloomberg, of course, is waiting to see if RP is going to run 3rd party, because if he does run, the Republicans need him to save their ass. Whatcha think?</p>
<p>Cedric</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/01/30/will-ron-paul-or-michael-bloomberg-run/#comment-390144</link>
		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) Ron Paul does a lot more for this country in his Congressional seat than he would do in a silly 3rd party run for President. He has shown he can get 10% in a Repulbican Primary with the help of independents. That would drop to 4-7% in a national election. Which does exactly squat. Stay in Congress Ron. We need you there. 

2) In any mix of the leading candidates, the  Republican Party is going to lose the 2008 Presidential election, with or without Bloomberg and/or Paul participation.  Which means we are on a hellbound train for at least two years of single party Democratic Government with a real possibility of a 60 vote Democratic  plurality in th Senate. The only hope is that they are unlikely to do as much damage in two years as it  took the single party Republican government to do in six. 

3) There is one additional possibility which is also unlikely but possible with Romney or McCain leading the Republican ticket. Since the Republican party is already so far behind the 8-ball and unpopular due to the policies of the Bush administration, (70% think the country is going in the wrong direction), and either candidate will experience tissue rejection from a significant segment of the GOP itself, the best answer may be to just swim with the tide,  and work actively for the complete destruction of the Republican Party.  History shows that there is no path for a 3rd party to succeed in our system. However there are precedents for one of the two major parties self-destructing and being replaced by a new second party.  Problem being, you have to blow up one to make room for the new. This may be the year to do just that. It would be a fitting legacy for George W Bush.  The man who destroyed the Republican Party. 

Justin, Could you add an "I told you so"  tag for new posts? I am going to need it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Ron Paul does a lot more for this country in his Congressional seat than he would do in a silly 3rd party run for President. He has shown he can get 10% in a Repulbican Primary with the help of independents. That would drop to 4-7% in a national election. Which does exactly squat. Stay in Congress Ron. We need you there. </p>
<p>2) In any mix of the leading candidates, the  Republican Party is going to lose the 2008 Presidential election, with or without Bloomberg and/or Paul participation.  Which means we are on a hellbound train for at least two years of single party Democratic Government with a real possibility of a 60 vote Democratic  plurality in th Senate. The only hope is that they are unlikely to do as much damage in two years as it  took the single party Republican government to do in six. </p>
<p>3) There is one additional possibility which is also unlikely but possible with Romney or McCain leading the Republican ticket. Since the Republican party is already so far behind the 8-ball and unpopular due to the policies of the Bush administration, (70% think the country is going in the wrong direction), and either candidate will experience tissue rejection from a significant segment of the GOP itself, the best answer may be to just swim with the tide,  and work actively for the complete destruction of the Republican Party.  History shows that there is no path for a 3rd party to succeed in our system. However there are precedents for one of the two major parties self-destructing and being replaced by a new second party.  Problem being, you have to blow up one to make room for the new. This may be the year to do just that. It would be a fitting legacy for George W Bush.  The man who destroyed the Republican Party. </p>
<p>Justin, Could you add an &#8220;I told you so&#8221;  tag for new posts? I am going to need it.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Brodie</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/01/30/will-ron-paul-or-michael-bloomberg-run/#comment-390141</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Brodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read Ellin Anderson's beautiful and inspiring poem &lt;a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~ellingreeranderson/patriotshouse.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Patriot's House&lt;/a&gt;, and then think about how we, the "blessed", can repent of our "failings" by actively supporting the one honest, consistent, and principled constitutionalist, Ron Paul, thereby fulfilling the founders' promise of "peace and love", and thus putting at rest the ghosts of our forefather's who designed and built this nation. We simply need to say "Instead --".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read Ellin Anderson&#8217;s beautiful and inspiring poem <a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~ellingreeranderson/patriotshouse.html" rel="nofollow">The Patriot&#8217;s House</a>, and then think about how we, the &#8220;blessed&#8221;, can repent of our &#8220;failings&#8221; by actively supporting the one honest, consistent, and principled constitutionalist, Ron Paul, thereby fulfilling the founders&#8217; promise of &#8220;peace and love&#8221;, and thus putting at rest the ghosts of our forefather&#8217;s who designed and built this nation. We simply need to say &#8220;Instead &#8211;&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/01/30/will-ron-paul-or-michael-bloomberg-run/#comment-390138</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judging from Paul's new YouTube video that he put out, I think he is strongly considering a 3rd party run if the supporters keep providing the support.

Check it out though...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0nJH6zB9VM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judging from Paul&#8217;s new YouTube video that he put out, I think he is strongly considering a 3rd party run if the supporters keep providing the support.</p>
<p>Check it out though&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0nJH6zB9VM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0nJH6zB9VM</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim S</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/01/30/will-ron-paul-or-michael-bloomberg-run/#comment-390136</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nominating Congressman Paul does more to guarantee a Democratic victory than any other scenario. Of course it's not going to happen but the Democrats can hope, can't they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nominating Congressman Paul does more to guarantee a Democratic victory than any other scenario. Of course it&#8217;s not going to happen but the Democrats can hope, can&#8217;t they?</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Rushing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad Rushing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Aaron Walker's comments, I honestly believe that there are those in the Republican party that would prefer that a Democrat with neo-conservative leanings who will continue the Iraq War (such as Hillary Clinton) be elected before they would ever back a constitutionalist such as Ron Paul as the party's nominee.

I have come to realize this past year that those currently in leadership of the GOP are statists as much as the Democrats are which is why they despise Paul's government-reducing policies.  The only difference is that the Democrats do not try to disguise their socialistic positions with terms such as "compassionate conservatism."  Both major parties love big government and look forward to their turn at controlling it; they only disagree on which pet projects that big government should be directing all that power it has accumulated towards.

Those who are anti-statist (libertarian) in their political views are quickly discovering that the modern GOP has little interest in defending and promoting their views, only in their votes on election day.  Furthermore, they are banking on the anyone-but-Hillary mentality to win them the election regardless of whom they choose as their nominee, but I doubt it will pan out for them in the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Aaron Walker&#8217;s comments, I honestly believe that there are those in the Republican party that would prefer that a Democrat with neo-conservative leanings who will continue the Iraq War (such as Hillary Clinton) be elected before they would ever back a constitutionalist such as Ron Paul as the party&#8217;s nominee.</p>
<p>I have come to realize this past year that those currently in leadership of the GOP are statists as much as the Democrats are which is why they despise Paul&#8217;s government-reducing policies.  The only difference is that the Democrats do not try to disguise their socialistic positions with terms such as &#8220;compassionate conservatism.&#8221;  Both major parties love big government and look forward to their turn at controlling it; they only disagree on which pet projects that big government should be directing all that power it has accumulated towards.</p>
<p>Those who are anti-statist (libertarian) in their political views are quickly discovering that the modern GOP has little interest in defending and promoting their views, only in their votes on election day.  Furthermore, they are banking on the anyone-but-Hillary mentality to win them the election regardless of whom they choose as their nominee, but I doubt it will pan out for them in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're not making a very original assessment of the general election dynamics here.  I have been screaming this for more than 4 months on sites all over the internet.  A third party run by Paul will absolutely guarantee a Democrat victory in November.  If anyone other than Paul wins the nomination, this too, will guarantee a Democrat victory in November.  Look, let's face facts with real simple logic.  Huckabee is out of money and is only riding on ever decreasing momentum from his surprise finishes in Iowa and South Carolina.  He'll be dropping out after super Tuesday.  McCain is riding the free media train that the MSM has let him board and will likely ride it all the way to the convention in September.  Romney can write himself checks all the way to the convention and Paul has a grassroots movement that will carry him all the way there too.

So, we're looking at Paul, Romney and McCain.  McCain cannot differentiate himself from the Democratic candidate and the naive American voter is going to vote for a Democrat just because they aren't a Republican and they aren't faced with a real choice.  Romney, too, will be unable to differentiate himself sufficiently from the Democrats because of his record in Massachusetts... and I'm sad to admit that his religion will become an issue and very well may be used against him.  Both candidates are warmongering fools who are in total opposition to well more than a majority of Americans who are against the war in Iraq.  Only Paul has the ability to set himself apart from the Democrats and offer a real choice to the American voter.  The fact that he speaks so passionately against the war will gain a lot of attention from Democratic voters and his straight talk about our destructive economic policies is going to be very well received.  In a debate with a Democrat, Ron Paul is the only one who will be able to go toe to toe and actually walk away with victories.

We must nominate Congressman Paul or we WILL have a Democratic victory.  Mark my words and take them to the bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re not making a very original assessment of the general election dynamics here.  I have been screaming this for more than 4 months on sites all over the internet.  A third party run by Paul will absolutely guarantee a Democrat victory in November.  If anyone other than Paul wins the nomination, this too, will guarantee a Democrat victory in November.  Look, let&#8217;s face facts with real simple logic.  Huckabee is out of money and is only riding on ever decreasing momentum from his surprise finishes in Iowa and South Carolina.  He&#8217;ll be dropping out after super Tuesday.  McCain is riding the free media train that the MSM has let him board and will likely ride it all the way to the convention in September.  Romney can write himself checks all the way to the convention and Paul has a grassroots movement that will carry him all the way there too.</p>
<p>So, we&#8217;re looking at Paul, Romney and McCain.  McCain cannot differentiate himself from the Democratic candidate and the naive American voter is going to vote for a Democrat just because they aren&#8217;t a Republican and they aren&#8217;t faced with a real choice.  Romney, too, will be unable to differentiate himself sufficiently from the Democrats because of his record in Massachusetts&#8230; and I&#8217;m sad to admit that his religion will become an issue and very well may be used against him.  Both candidates are warmongering fools who are in total opposition to well more than a majority of Americans who are against the war in Iraq.  Only Paul has the ability to set himself apart from the Democrats and offer a real choice to the American voter.  The fact that he speaks so passionately against the war will gain a lot of attention from Democratic voters and his straight talk about our destructive economic policies is going to be very well received.  In a debate with a Democrat, Ron Paul is the only one who will be able to go toe to toe and actually walk away with victories.</p>
<p>We must nominate Congressman Paul or we WILL have a Democratic victory.  Mark my words and take them to the bank.</p>
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