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	<title>Comments on: Poll: Public Heavily Favors Diplomacy Over Military Force</title>
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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: Elyas</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/06/05/poll-public-heavily-favors-diplomacy-over-military-force/comment-page-1/#comment-409158</link>
		<dc:creator>Elyas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 13:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but well over half (59%) think that talks should only take place after Iran stops developing nuclear weapons&quot;

If the poll question was worded the way the response was, it was loaded and misleading. Of course well over half think talks should take place only after Iran stops developing nuclear weapons. But Iran stopped developing weapons in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/03/iran.nuclear/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2003&lt;/a&gt;, as far as anyone knows. 

The poll might as well have asked, &quot;Have you stopped beating your wife yet?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but well over half (59%) think that talks should only take place after Iran stops developing nuclear weapons&#8221;</p>
<p>If the poll question was worded the way the response was, it was loaded and misleading. Of course well over half think talks should take place only after Iran stops developing nuclear weapons. But Iran stopped developing weapons in <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/03/iran.nuclear/index.html" >2003</a>, as far as anyone knows. </p>
<p>The poll might as well have asked, &#8220;Have you stopped beating your wife yet?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 03:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a good stat Jimmy. We&#039;ll see what Obama has to say the rest of the way in the campaign.

ExiledIndependent...I agree that public opinion can result is horrible, horrible outcomes. Take 2004 for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a good stat Jimmy. We&#8217;ll see what Obama has to say the rest of the way in the campaign.</p>
<p>ExiledIndependent&#8230;I agree that public opinion can result is horrible, horrible outcomes. Take 2004 for example.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Harden</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Harden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 03:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a similar survey, an overwhelming number, 94% of Americans believed that life was better than death. Jimmy is absolutely right, Obama&#039;s statement does seem to contradict the quasi-metaphysical value he puts on talking.  I would for Obama to describe the scenerio in which talking does not &quot;advance the interest of the United States&quot; and explain what he would do then.  Maybe that will come up in the hour-long Lincoln-Douglas debates. (both Obama and McCain should be made to wear long beards with top hats to increase voter awareness.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a similar survey, an overwhelming number, 94% of Americans believed that life was better than death. Jimmy is absolutely right, Obama&#8217;s statement does seem to contradict the quasi-metaphysical value he puts on talking.  I would for Obama to describe the scenerio in which talking does not &#8220;advance the interest of the United States&#8221; and explain what he would do then.  Maybe that will come up in the hour-long Lincoln-Douglas debates. (both Obama and McCain should be made to wear long beards with top hats to increase voter awareness.)</p>
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		<title>By: ExiledIndependent</title>
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		<dc:creator>ExiledIndependent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 02:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>International policy by public opinion = good way to get elected, horrible horrible outcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>International policy by public opinion = good way to get elected, horrible horrible outcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy the Dhimmi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Dhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 02:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ADDENDUM:

As I thought, this public opinion poll is not sufficient to tell the whole story.    For the most part, Americans favor talks with Iran only if they &lt;a href=&quot;http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/nearly_60_say_no_talks_with_iran_until_nuclear_program_is_halted&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;halt their nuclear program first. &lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Forty-five percent (45%) of likely voters agree with Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama that it&#039;s a good idea for the U.S. president to meet directly with the leader of Iran, but well over half (59%) think that talks should only take place after Iran stops developing nuclear weapons&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And now, Barack seems to be backtracking a bit on Iran himself:
&lt;blockquote&gt;â€œ[A]s president of the United States, I would be willing to lead tough and principled diplomacy with the appropriate Iranian leaders at a time and place of my choosing if and &lt;strong&gt;only if it can advance the interest of the United States.&lt;/strong&gt; That is my position. I want to be absolutely clear.â€&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I thought talks without preconditions &lt;em&gt;itself&lt;/em&gt; advanced the interest of the United states.  Recently, Ahmadinajad said he is ready to talk to the U.S., so whats the hangup again?  Remember, Obama said that the lack of talking was the reason why they are misbehaving in the first place:
&lt;blockquote&gt;â€œAnd the fact that we have not talked to them means that they have been developing nuclear weapons, funding Hamas, funding Hezbollah.â€&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ADDENDUM:</p>
<p>As I thought, this public opinion poll is not sufficient to tell the whole story.    For the most part, Americans favor talks with Iran only if they <a href="http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/nearly_60_say_no_talks_with_iran_until_nuclear_program_is_halted" >halt their nuclear program first. </a></p>
<blockquote><p>Forty-five percent (45%) of likely voters agree with Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama that it&#8217;s a good idea for the U.S. president to meet directly with the leader of Iran, but well over half (59%) think that talks should only take place after Iran stops developing nuclear weapons</p></blockquote>
<p>And now, Barack seems to be backtracking a bit on Iran himself:</p>
<blockquote><p>â€œ[A]s president of the United States, I would be willing to lead tough and principled diplomacy with the appropriate Iranian leaders at a time and place of my choosing if and <strong>only if it can advance the interest of the United States.</strong> That is my position. I want to be absolutely clear.â€</p></blockquote>
<p>I thought talks without preconditions <em>itself</em> advanced the interest of the United states.  Recently, Ahmadinajad said he is ready to talk to the U.S., so whats the hangup again?  Remember, Obama said that the lack of talking was the reason why they are misbehaving in the first place:</p>
<blockquote><p>â€œAnd the fact that we have not talked to them means that they have been developing nuclear weapons, funding Hamas, funding Hezbollah.â€</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Jimmy the Dhimmi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Dhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 02:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sanctions, embargos, and blockades are forms of diplomacy.  Frankly, I&#039;m surprised that anyone would favor military action over diplomacy in any conflict.  Unrelenting economic punishment with no relief until you do what you are supposed to do.

The question should be, what are you willing to give up?  Would you allow Iran to complete its nuclear program in order to avoid military intervention? Are you willing to allow rouge regimes to continue to obfuscate international regulations set up to maintain global security?  Is that diplomacy;  simply to take no action if Iran keeps it up?

Otherwise, what ransom should we pay to the terrorist supporting apocalyptic religious fanatic regime that is manufacturing nuclear weapons and vows to wipe Israel off the map?  What concessions are we willing to negotiate away in order for promises and gentlemens&#039; agreements that they will peacefully abandon everything they have stood for over the past 30 years?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sanctions, embargos, and blockades are forms of diplomacy.  Frankly, I&#8217;m surprised that anyone would favor military action over diplomacy in any conflict.  Unrelenting economic punishment with no relief until you do what you are supposed to do.</p>
<p>The question should be, what are you willing to give up?  Would you allow Iran to complete its nuclear program in order to avoid military intervention? Are you willing to allow rouge regimes to continue to obfuscate international regulations set up to maintain global security?  Is that diplomacy;  simply to take no action if Iran keeps it up?</p>
<p>Otherwise, what ransom should we pay to the terrorist supporting apocalyptic religious fanatic regime that is manufacturing nuclear weapons and vows to wipe Israel off the map?  What concessions are we willing to negotiate away in order for promises and gentlemens&#8217; agreements that they will peacefully abandon everything they have stood for over the past 30 years?</p>
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		<title>By: Elyas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elyas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 23:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forty-seven percent now favor diplomacy, up from 35% last fall. That&#039;s a jump of 12 percentage points from just about six months ago. If it were just the fading of the post-9/11 fear cloud, I think it would have been a slower transition. The jump suggest Obama has had a direct role in changing public opinion on this issue, in my &lt;a&gt;opinion.&lt;/a&gt;

Democrats have for a long time been afraid of being portrayed as weak on national security and have essentially conceded the argument to Republicans. Obama has taken an arguably liberal position related to national security and defended it to the American people, making a case for why it is in the country&#039;s best interest. No Democrat has done that in a long time, and that&#039;s why public opinion on these issues has favored Republicans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forty-seven percent now favor diplomacy, up from 35% last fall. That&#8217;s a jump of 12 percentage points from just about six months ago. If it were just the fading of the post-9/11 fear cloud, I think it would have been a slower transition. The jump suggest Obama has had a direct role in changing public opinion on this issue, in my <a>opinion.</a></p>
<p>Democrats have for a long time been afraid of being portrayed as weak on national security and have essentially conceded the argument to Republicans. Obama has taken an arguably liberal position related to national security and defended it to the American people, making a case for why it is in the country&#8217;s best interest. No Democrat has done that in a long time, and that&#8217;s why public opinion on these issues has favored Republicans.</p>
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