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	<title>Comments on: National Review: Ayers Wrote Obama&#8217;s Dreams from My Father</title>
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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; On The Right&#8217;s Reaction To Obama</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/10/11/national-review-ayers-wrote-obamas-dreams-from-my-father/comment-page-2/#comment-543059</link>
		<dc:creator>Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; On The Right&#8217;s Reaction To Obama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Beck. But, then again, Moran is now writing for the American Thinker, which tried to claim that Ayers wrote one of Obama&#8217;s books. So who knows what he&#8217;s thinking these days. To be clear, I&#8217;m not saying he&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Beck. But, then again, Moran is now writing for the American Thinker, which tried to claim that Ayers wrote one of Obama&#8217;s books. So who knows what he&#8217;s thinking these days. To be clear, I&#8217;m not saying he&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Swift</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/10/11/national-review-ayers-wrote-obamas-dreams-from-my-father/comment-page-2/#comment-421769</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Swift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Great Moments in Election-Year Blogging...&lt;/strong&gt;

The conservative blogosphere deserves to win a collective Pulitzer Prize for its election-year coverage....</description>
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<p>The conservative blogosphere deserves to win a collective Pulitzer Prize for its election-year coverage&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/10/11/national-review-ayers-wrote-obamas-dreams-from-my-father/comment-page-2/#comment-420429</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay folks...this is my last word on this.

Since I make my living as a writer, I can tell you that the most important part of my job is being able to switch between many different voices given the situation. And as a writer, lecturer, etc., Cashill knows this.

So there&#039;s a reason why Dreams is a completely different style of writing than Audacity. Audacity was directed at a broader, political audience, while Dreams was a memoir. These are two VERY distinct forms of writing.

And as far as going from 0 to 60 in his early writings to Dream, what Alan said. History is LITTERED with brilliant first novels. But yeah, you keep believing that Ayers wrote Dreams because he has vaguely similar word choices in his books. 

As for misrepresenting Cashill&#039;s &quot;argument&quot;, he began with a ridiculous premise and then spends the entire rest of the article cherry picking his way through both books to make his point. It&#039;s conspiratorial jealousy in its worst form, and Cashill should be ashamed of himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay folks&#8230;this is my last word on this.</p>
<p>Since I make my living as a writer, I can tell you that the most important part of my job is being able to switch between many different voices given the situation. And as a writer, lecturer, etc., Cashill knows this.</p>
<p>So there&#8217;s a reason why Dreams is a completely different style of writing than Audacity. Audacity was directed at a broader, political audience, while Dreams was a memoir. These are two VERY distinct forms of writing.</p>
<p>And as far as going from 0 to 60 in his early writings to Dream, what Alan said. History is LITTERED with brilliant first novels. But yeah, you keep believing that Ayers wrote Dreams because he has vaguely similar word choices in his books. </p>
<p>As for misrepresenting Cashill&#8217;s &#8220;argument&#8221;, he began with a ridiculous premise and then spends the entire rest of the article cherry picking his way through both books to make his point. It&#8217;s conspiratorial jealousy in its worst form, and Cashill should be ashamed of himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Judith M.</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/10/11/national-review-ayers-wrote-obamas-dreams-from-my-father/comment-page-2/#comment-420425</link>
		<dc:creator>Judith M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin, I really think you&#039;ve badly misrepresented Jack Cashill&#039;s argument.  The argument wasn&#039;t that a person couldn&#039;t write a good first novel.  The argument was that a person doesn&#039;t go from a mediocre writer to an superb writer without a great deal of effort.  None of Obama&#039;s writing prior to &quot;Dreams From My Father&quot; showed any literary promise.  Further, &quot;The Audacity of Hope&quot; appears to have different authorship than &quot;Dreams&quot;.

Meanwhile, you have Ayers extensive writing portfolio, which without question is much more similar to Dreams than &quot;Dreams&quot; is to &quot;Audacity&quot;.  The length of sentences, imagery, philosophy (post modern), reading level, etc. are almost identical between &quot;Fugitive Days&quot; (Ayers memoir) and &quot;Dreams&quot; (Obama&#039;s memoir).

I highly recommend that people read Cashill&#039;s ENTIRE article in American Thinker before discarding his thesis on the basis of two paragraphs that have been taken out of context.  Cashill&#039;s argument is a thorough and layered argument against Obama being the primary author of Dreams, but Obama could show it was false by showing even one thing he&#039;d authored prior to Dreams, no matter how short, that showed any signs of the literary ability exhibited in that book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin, I really think you&#8217;ve badly misrepresented Jack Cashill&#8217;s argument.  The argument wasn&#8217;t that a person couldn&#8217;t write a good first novel.  The argument was that a person doesn&#8217;t go from a mediocre writer to an superb writer without a great deal of effort.  None of Obama&#8217;s writing prior to &#8220;Dreams From My Father&#8221; showed any literary promise.  Further, &#8220;The Audacity of Hope&#8221; appears to have different authorship than &#8220;Dreams&#8221;.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, you have Ayers extensive writing portfolio, which without question is much more similar to Dreams than &#8220;Dreams&#8221; is to &#8220;Audacity&#8221;.  The length of sentences, imagery, philosophy (post modern), reading level, etc. are almost identical between &#8220;Fugitive Days&#8221; (Ayers memoir) and &#8220;Dreams&#8221; (Obama&#8217;s memoir).</p>
<p>I highly recommend that people read Cashill&#8217;s ENTIRE article in American Thinker before discarding his thesis on the basis of two paragraphs that have been taken out of context.  Cashill&#8217;s argument is a thorough and layered argument against Obama being the primary author of Dreams, but Obama could show it was false by showing even one thing he&#8217;d authored prior to Dreams, no matter how short, that showed any signs of the literary ability exhibited in that book.</p>
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		<title>By: Atan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 22:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you read the only available writing sample from Obama, a 1990 essay, it&#039;s clear that he did not write Dreams. He did not merely have some &quot;help&quot; from an editor. Editors clean up writing, but they do not impose an overriding style and fill the writing with thematic metaphors. Certainly Obama contributed much of the content and ideas, but Dreams was substantially written by someone else.

So, the question is, who wrote it. If you look at what was going on with Obama and Ayers at the time the book was written, Ayers is indeed an excellent candidate (means, motive, similarity and uniqueness of writing style, etc.). Perhaps it was someone else, but who? At this point, Ayers is a pretty good hypothesis.

Even if it&#039;s not Ayers, though, the revelation that Obama does not indeed have the literary skill displayed in Dreams is a major indictment of his character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you read the only available writing sample from Obama, a 1990 essay, it&#8217;s clear that he did not write Dreams. He did not merely have some &#8220;help&#8221; from an editor. Editors clean up writing, but they do not impose an overriding style and fill the writing with thematic metaphors. Certainly Obama contributed much of the content and ideas, but Dreams was substantially written by someone else.</p>
<p>So, the question is, who wrote it. If you look at what was going on with Obama and Ayers at the time the book was written, Ayers is indeed an excellent candidate (means, motive, similarity and uniqueness of writing style, etc.). Perhaps it was someone else, but who? At this point, Ayers is a pretty good hypothesis.</p>
<p>Even if it&#8217;s not Ayers, though, the revelation that Obama does not indeed have the literary skill displayed in Dreams is a major indictment of his character.</p>
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		<title>By: Winifred NYC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winifred NYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if the late Wm. F. could even have aligned himself with this particular &quot;conservative&quot; slate; it&#039;s difficult to recognize any conservative principles at play in this big-government, profligate-spending, foxes-guarding-the-henhouse loony-bin. Their  pandering to  the religious right has created a party that is the antithesis of intellectualism, (the jury is out on evolution, global warming is fiction, I can see Russia from my backyard,  etc. ). Whatever else Wm. Buckley was, he was a brilliant man. His beloved party, unable to discuss the crises at hand that will actually effect all of our futures, are now laughably resorting to bizarre attempts at diversionary tactics. This one---&quot;Ayers wrote Obama&#039;s book&quot;---is so out there that is should have the opposite of its intended effect on anyone who might still be undecided.The only people who will go for this canard are people who don&#039;t do much critical thinking, to put it gently, and have made up their minds long ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the late Wm. F. could even have aligned himself with this particular &#8220;conservative&#8221; slate; it&#8217;s difficult to recognize any conservative principles at play in this big-government, profligate-spending, foxes-guarding-the-henhouse loony-bin. Their  pandering to  the religious right has created a party that is the antithesis of intellectualism, (the jury is out on evolution, global warming is fiction, I can see Russia from my backyard,  etc. ). Whatever else Wm. Buckley was, he was a brilliant man. His beloved party, unable to discuss the crises at hand that will actually effect all of our futures, are now laughably resorting to bizarre attempts at diversionary tactics. This one&#8212;&#8221;Ayers wrote Obama&#8217;s book&#8221;&#8212;is so out there that is should have the opposite of its intended effect on anyone who might still be undecided.The only people who will go for this canard are people who don&#8217;t do much critical thinking, to put it gently, and have made up their minds long ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Wailing Into The Void &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Unhinged Right Watch</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/10/11/national-review-ayers-wrote-obamas-dreams-from-my-father/comment-page-2/#comment-419664</link>
		<dc:creator>Wailing Into The Void &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Unhinged Right Watch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cashill and Andrew McCarthy are really grasping at straws now. Next they&#8217;ll be telling us that William Ayers helped Obama cheat his way through Harvard [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Cashill and Andrew McCarthy are really grasping at straws now. Next they&#8217;ll be telling us that William Ayers helped Obama cheat his way through Harvard [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rob in Denver</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/10/11/national-review-ayers-wrote-obamas-dreams-from-my-father/comment-page-1/#comment-419616</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob in Denver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ann Althouse, incidentally, has a post up on the &quot;Ayers wrote Dreams...&quot; hoo-ha.

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2008/10/jack-cashills-strange-notion-that-bill.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann Althouse, incidentally, has a post up on the &#8220;Ayers wrote Dreams&#8230;&#8221; hoo-ha.</p>
<p><a href="http://althouse.blogspot.com/2008/10/jack-cashills-strange-notion-that-bill.html" rel="nofollow">http://althouse.blogspot.com/2008/10/jack-cashills-strange-notion-that-bill.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rich Horton</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/10/11/national-review-ayers-wrote-obamas-dreams-from-my-father/comment-page-1/#comment-419606</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Horton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I&#039;m not saying he&#039;s lying, I&#039;m saying he&#039;s political drift has been over a decade in the making.

Obviously, Buckley doesn&#039;t like the neo-cons, but his stance against them is not made in the name of any of the other conservative stance (paleo or otherwise) that have ALWAYS disliked the Neocons.  (The paleos suspect them of all being closet Leninists, and indeed there is a little bit of &quot;export the revolution!&quot; about them.)  So what is Chris Buckley conservatism?  Well, whatever it is it isn&#039;t very conservative if he can find its embodiment in Barack Obama.

Actually, by real standards, I&#039;d say Buckley is about as conservative as Andy Sullivan, which is to say not-conservative at all...although in different way and for different reasons.  (If one were to be completely uncharitable one might term it less principled and more bandwagonesque.)  Indeed, in Buckley&#039;s piece you link to and quote above you get trenchant criticism of the neocons, but not a single annunciation of a conservative theme as a better choice (and there are lots of other options.)  That Buckley cannot bring one to mind says more about beliefs he actually holds today. 

As for the text analysis...no, what he uses is different.  The work I saw was by David Hoover at NYU, which can be used for author attribution.  (It creates a &quot;fingerprint&quot; based upon word choice and other usage characteristics.  I&#039;ve no idea how the QUSM program he mentions works...and I&#039;m not sure I care.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I&#8217;m not saying he&#8217;s lying, I&#8217;m saying he&#8217;s political drift has been over a decade in the making.</p>
<p>Obviously, Buckley doesn&#8217;t like the neo-cons, but his stance against them is not made in the name of any of the other conservative stance (paleo or otherwise) that have ALWAYS disliked the Neocons.  (The paleos suspect them of all being closet Leninists, and indeed there is a little bit of &#8220;export the revolution!&#8221; about them.)  So what is Chris Buckley conservatism?  Well, whatever it is it isn&#8217;t very conservative if he can find its embodiment in Barack Obama.</p>
<p>Actually, by real standards, I&#8217;d say Buckley is about as conservative as Andy Sullivan, which is to say not-conservative at all&#8230;although in different way and for different reasons.  (If one were to be completely uncharitable one might term it less principled and more bandwagonesque.)  Indeed, in Buckley&#8217;s piece you link to and quote above you get trenchant criticism of the neocons, but not a single annunciation of a conservative theme as a better choice (and there are lots of other options.)  That Buckley cannot bring one to mind says more about beliefs he actually holds today. </p>
<p>As for the text analysis&#8230;no, what he uses is different.  The work I saw was by David Hoover at NYU, which can be used for author attribution.  (It creates a &#8220;fingerprint&#8221; based upon word choice and other usage characteristics.  I&#8217;ve no idea how the QUSM program he mentions works&#8230;and I&#8217;m not sure I care.)</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/10/11/national-review-ayers-wrote-obamas-dreams-from-my-father/comment-page-1/#comment-419584</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Uh, I know Chris Buckley&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Rich...are you saying that he&#039;s lying? This is how his article starts out...

&lt;blockquote&gt;Let me be the latest conservative/libertarian/whatever to leap onto the Barack Obama bandwagon.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As far as the computer program, Cashill does run it through one of these and says they&#039;re virtually identical when it comes to the reading level. Don&#039;t know if that&#039;s what you&#039;re talking about or not. But I&#039;d suggest you read the article.

My point was simply that the article starts off with a ludicrous premise and so pretty much everything after that is called into question. However, somebody at the National Review actually calls it thoughtful, thorough, etc., and that&#039;s what&#039;s sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Uh, I know Chris Buckley</p></blockquote>
<p>Rich&#8230;are you saying that he&#8217;s lying? This is how his article starts out&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>Let me be the latest conservative/libertarian/whatever to leap onto the Barack Obama bandwagon.</p></blockquote>
<p>As far as the computer program, Cashill does run it through one of these and says they&#8217;re virtually identical when it comes to the reading level. Don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s what you&#8217;re talking about or not. But I&#8217;d suggest you read the article.</p>
<p>My point was simply that the article starts off with a ludicrous premise and so pretty much everything after that is called into question. However, somebody at the National Review actually calls it thoughtful, thorough, etc., and that&#8217;s what&#8217;s sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Horton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Horton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, I know Chris Buckley.  He used to come into my bookshop often to browse/chat whatever.  He wasn&#039;t his father.  Of course he would support Obama...that&#039;s his ideology.  Has been for quite some time.


As for Obama&#039;s book.  There are computer programs that can compare samples of writing and make an estimate at the likliehood they were written by the same author.  (Saw it on History Detectives).  This is easily solved by running them through that.  It need not remain a matter of blind opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, I know Chris Buckley.  He used to come into my bookshop often to browse/chat whatever.  He wasn&#8217;t his father.  Of course he would support Obama&#8230;that&#8217;s his ideology.  Has been for quite some time.</p>
<p>As for Obama&#8217;s book.  There are computer programs that can compare samples of writing and make an estimate at the likliehood they were written by the same author.  (Saw it on History Detectives).  This is easily solved by running them through that.  It need not remain a matter of blind opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Agnostick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agnostick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._K._Rowling&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Exactly, nobody ever has any success as an author, with their very first book...&lt;/a&gt;

DOH!

Agnostick
agnostick@excite.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._K._Rowling" rel="nofollow">Exactly, nobody ever has any success as an author, with their very first book&#8230;</a></p>
<p>DOH!</p>
<p>Agnostick<br />
<a href="mailto:agnostick@excite.com">agnostick@excite.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Augustine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Augustine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that Barack Obama does not even speak that well. Ever heard Bill Ayers speak? The man, while not tightly wrapped, does speak with authority. Obama, without the teleprompter, is not very eloquent at all. Other than &quot;Dreams...&quot; and &quot;Audacity&quot; which differ greatly in style, Obama hasn&#039;t written anything which can be qualitatively attributed to his own authorship!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that Barack Obama does not even speak that well. Ever heard Bill Ayers speak? The man, while not tightly wrapped, does speak with authority. Obama, without the teleprompter, is not very eloquent at all. Other than &#8220;Dreams&#8230;&#8221; and &#8220;Audacity&#8221; which differ greatly in style, Obama hasn&#8217;t written anything which can be qualitatively attributed to his own authorship!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeannybaby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeannybaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 05:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether or not he wrote anything before is a wonder...Don&#039;t you wonder why everything pertaining to his school years is sealed? You would think Obama would want everyone to know how he became the man he wants us to believe him to be. Therefore qualifying him to be our next president? I&#039;m having a hard time with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether or not he wrote anything before is a wonder&#8230;Don&#8217;t you wonder why everything pertaining to his school years is sealed? You would think Obama would want everyone to know how he became the man he wants us to believe him to be. Therefore qualifying him to be our next president? I&#8217;m having a hard time with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 05:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been attending SF cons since &#039;76. My second con was the WorldCon in KC that year. My wife and I were Midwest reps for Nolacon, the New Orleans bid and ran the Hugo Awards for them in &#039;88. We tallied the Hugo results for Orlando. We ran a bid for KC in 2000 but when they didn&#039;t build a planned hotel and we lost another hotel in downtown KC we dropped the bid. We still do things for the local convention, &lt;a href=&quot;http://conquestkc.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ConQuesT&lt;/a&gt; and when we lived in Tulsa for five years we worked on a con named OKon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been attending SF cons since &#8216;76. My second con was the WorldCon in KC that year. My wife and I were Midwest reps for Nolacon, the New Orleans bid and ran the Hugo Awards for them in &#8216;88. We tallied the Hugo results for Orlando. We ran a bid for KC in 2000 but when they didn&#8217;t build a planned hotel and we lost another hotel in downtown KC we dropped the bid. We still do things for the local convention, <a href="http://conquestkc.org/" rel="nofollow">ConQuesT</a> and when we lived in Tulsa for five years we worked on a con named OKon.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Stewart Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Stewart Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 04:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WorldCon, eh? Would you believe I was raised in that world? My first WorldCon corresponded with my first trip to Disney Land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WorldCon, eh? Would you believe I was raised in that world? My first WorldCon corresponded with my first trip to Disney Land.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 03:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely. And there are other examples of &quot;Where the hell did that come from?&quot;. I always felt a bit sorry for John Brunner for having produced something as brilliant as &quot;The Sheep Look Up&quot; at such a young age. The pressure from that situation must have been crushing at times. I was just so shocked when he actually passed away the weekend of the WorldCon in Glasgow that I was attending. I really wanted a chance to meet him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely. And there are other examples of &#8220;Where the hell did that come from?&#8221;. I always felt a bit sorry for John Brunner for having produced something as brilliant as &#8220;The Sheep Look Up&#8221; at such a young age. The pressure from that situation must have been crushing at times. I was just so shocked when he actually passed away the weekend of the WorldCon in Glasgow that I was attending. I really wanted a chance to meet him.</p>
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		<title>By: kranky kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kranky kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 03:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks, the handwriting has been on the wall for about a week now that Obama is pulling away. RW partisans are sort of losing it, feverishly throwing out stuff like this, throwing tantrums, whipping up frothy brews of comforting angry boilerplate about socialism, class warfare, and well, the end of the world as they know it. This furious derangement is going to lead to more and more RW partisans suggesting that everyone who votes for Obama is either purely evil, completely insane, or both.

It&#039;s pretty comical. It will in a few weeks be matched by the comedy of orgiastic, messianic liberal celebrations expressing pure joy and 100% faith that Obama can just fix everything with a wave of his hand.

It makes great theater, and I plan to keep enjoying it all. But both sides are way off. WAY off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks, the handwriting has been on the wall for about a week now that Obama is pulling away. RW partisans are sort of losing it, feverishly throwing out stuff like this, throwing tantrums, whipping up frothy brews of comforting angry boilerplate about socialism, class warfare, and well, the end of the world as they know it. This furious derangement is going to lead to more and more RW partisans suggesting that everyone who votes for Obama is either purely evil, completely insane, or both.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty comical. It will in a few weeks be matched by the comedy of orgiastic, messianic liberal celebrations expressing pure joy and 100% faith that Obama can just fix everything with a wave of his hand.</p>
<p>It makes great theater, and I plan to keep enjoying it all. But both sides are way off. WAY off.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Stewart Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Stewart Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 03:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, did you just say I was right? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, did you just say I was right? ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Jasmine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jasmine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s next, Sarah Palin wrote &quot;The Girl&#039;s Guide to Hunting and Fishing&quot;? And if you believe that, then there&#039;s a bridge (to nowhere) I think you&#039;d be interested in.

Thanks for the laugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s next, Sarah Palin wrote &#8220;The Girl&#8217;s Guide to Hunting and Fishing&#8221;? And if you believe that, then there&#8217;s a bridge (to nowhere) I think you&#8217;d be interested in.</p>
<p>Thanks for the laugh.</p>
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