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		<title>By: Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Just Vote Divided.</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/10/28/barack-buying-the-election/comment-page-2/#comment-422643</link>
		<dc:creator>Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Just Vote Divided.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] demonstrated that they have the potential to be every bit as corrupt as the Republicans and fully embrace big money corporate politics as aggressively as the K-Street Republicans, they have not yet had enough time or power to fulfill [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] demonstrated that they have the potential to be every bit as corrupt as the Republicans and fully embrace big money corporate politics as aggressively as the K-Street Republicans, they have not yet had enough time or power to fulfill [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sunday Morning Coffee: Final Cup of Bitterness Edition - MissWisabus.com</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/10/28/barack-buying-the-election/comment-page-2/#comment-422439</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunday Morning Coffee: Final Cup of Bitterness Edition - MissWisabus.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you&#8217;re fine selling American to the highest bidder, you are a fool. If you&#8217;re fine with voting for someone with shady (at best) associations, let it be on your [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you&#8217;re fine selling American to the highest bidder, you are a fool. If you&#8217;re fine with voting for someone with shady (at best) associations, let it be on your [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/10/28/barack-buying-the-election/comment-page-2/#comment-421840</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, I&#039;m glad he changed his mind.  I&#039;m tired of Republicans whining about it, however.  L is right.  If it were the other way around Reps would be saying, quit whining or change the rules.  Look at Kerry and Gore, they got ran over by Republican dirty tricks and having been out spent by 527&#039;s.   Enough&#039;s enough.  Quit whining or change the rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, I&#8217;m glad he changed his mind.  I&#8217;m tired of Republicans whining about it, however.  L is right.  If it were the other way around Reps would be saying, quit whining or change the rules.  Look at Kerry and Gore, they got ran over by Republican dirty tricks and having been out spent by 527&#8217;s.   Enough&#8217;s enough.  Quit whining or change the rules.</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/10/28/barack-buying-the-election/comment-page-2/#comment-421834</link>
		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;Is it just me...?&lt;/i&gt; - L &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes. Yes it is. Happy to help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;Is it just me&#8230;?</i> &#8211; L </p></blockquote>
<p>Yes. Yes it is. Happy to help.</p>
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		<title>By: L</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/10/28/barack-buying-the-election/comment-page-2/#comment-421826</link>
		<dc:creator>L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me or do posts like this seem useless.  If it were the other way around it&#039;d be the left whining and mw and company finding ways to justify massive fundraising from their candidate.  It is just a fact of politics, I don&#039;t think anyone really cares beyond attacking the other or defending their candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me or do posts like this seem useless.  If it were the other way around it&#8217;d be the left whining and mw and company finding ways to justify massive fundraising from their candidate.  It is just a fact of politics, I don&#8217;t think anyone really cares beyond attacking the other or defending their candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More on Obama fund raising</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/10/28/barack-buying-the-election/comment-page-2/#comment-421808</link>
		<dc:creator>Donklephant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More on Obama fund raising</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] up on yesterday&#8217;s money posts from Alan and me - A couple of stories shedding more light on the Axelrod/Obama Greatest Political Money Machine In [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] up on yesterday&#8217;s money posts from Alan and me &#8211; A couple of stories shedding more light on the Axelrod/Obama Greatest Political Money Machine In [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Barack buying the election?</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/10/28/barack-buying-the-election/comment-page-2/#comment-421787</link>
		<dc:creator>Barack buying the election?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Barack buying the election? AT&amp;T was a major sponsor and contributor to the Democratic Party convention in Denver. In return, AT&amp;T got their logo printed on a very nice leather tote bag. Iâ€™m sure that promotion on the tote bag was all that AT&amp;T wanted in return &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Barack buying the election? AT&#38;T was a major sponsor and contributor to the Democratic Party convention in Denver. In return, AT&#38;T got their logo printed on a very nice leather tote bag. Iâ€™m sure that promotion on the tote bag was all that AT&#38;T wanted in return &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lit3Bolt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lit3Bolt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solid piece mw.  The AT&amp;T connections shed new light on Obama&#039;s capitulation on FISA.  Very good research and investigation, and a pretty damning picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solid piece mw.  The AT&amp;T connections shed new light on Obama&#8217;s capitulation on FISA.  Very good research and investigation, and a pretty damning picture.</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/10/28/barack-buying-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-421762</link>
		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 04:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;I suspect that many of Obamaâ€™s donors are like me as opposed to those that typically give to Republican candidates.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; - rr&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The point of the Washington Post article, is that there is actually no difference in the makeup of small donors vs. large donors when comparing contributors to BHO vs. GWB. In fact, GWB had a slightly higher percentage of small donors.  Which means that the BHO campaign is actually funded more by large donors than was GWB.

There is however one big difference between  BHO and GWB fund raising. There are a lot more donors for Obama of all sizes, which is also consistent with your experience - as a first time contributor. The point is simple - the notion that the BHO campaign is funded &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;primarily&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; by small donors is false. He is more reliant on big contributors than was GWB. That is all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;I suspect that many of Obamaâ€™s donors are like me as opposed to those that typically give to Republican candidates.&#8221;</i> &#8211; rr</p></blockquote>
<p>The point of the Washington Post article, is that there is actually no difference in the makeup of small donors vs. large donors when comparing contributors to BHO vs. GWB. In fact, GWB had a slightly higher percentage of small donors.  Which means that the BHO campaign is actually funded more by large donors than was GWB.</p>
<p>There is however one big difference between  BHO and GWB fund raising. There are a lot more donors for Obama of all sizes, which is also consistent with your experience &#8211; as a first time contributor. The point is simple &#8211; the notion that the BHO campaign is funded <i><b>primarily</b></i> by small donors is false. He is more reliant on big contributors than was GWB. That is all.</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/10/28/barack-buying-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-421761</link>
		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Erik
Are you saying it is ok for a politician to break promises, hide relationships, and change their votes based on corporate contributions, as long as we don&#039;t go to war?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Erik<br />
Are you saying it is ok for a politician to break promises, hide relationships, and change their votes based on corporate contributions, as long as we don&#8217;t go to war?</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/10/28/barack-buying-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-421760</link>
		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;You want to find a distinction between â€œdonorsâ€ and â€œcontributorsâ€&lt;/em&gt; - dl&lt;/blockquote&gt;

@DougL
You appear to have a bit of a reading comprehension problem. I am not making a distinction between &quot;donors&quot; and &quot;contributors&quot;. I am just explaining how there is difference between counting  individual &quot;contribut&lt;strong&gt;ions&lt;/strong&gt;&quot;  - which is what you did in your comment, and counting &quot;donors&quot; which is what the Washington Post article does. 

It is pretty simple really. One donor can make multiple contributions. That is why you get a different percentage than the Washington Post. You are counting contributions. The Washington post is counting donors.  If you can&#039;t understand that difference, I can&#039;t help you.

Before commenting, I suggest you sit down with a tall refreshing glass of iced kool-aid, and slowly and carefully read what you are commenting about.  Glad to help out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>You want to find a distinction between â€œdonorsâ€ and â€œcontributorsâ€</em> &#8211; dl</p></blockquote>
<p>@DougL<br />
You appear to have a bit of a reading comprehension problem. I am not making a distinction between &#8220;donors&#8221; and &#8220;contributors&#8221;. I am just explaining how there is difference between counting  individual &#8220;contribut<strong>ions</strong>&#8221;  &#8211; which is what you did in your comment, and counting &#8220;donors&#8221; which is what the Washington Post article does. </p>
<p>It is pretty simple really. One donor can make multiple contributions. That is why you get a different percentage than the Washington Post. You are counting contributions. The Washington post is counting donors.  If you can&#8217;t understand that difference, I can&#8217;t help you.</p>
<p>Before commenting, I suggest you sit down with a tall refreshing glass of iced kool-aid, and slowly and carefully read what you are commenting about.  Glad to help out.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim S: Sweet! I donated $300. Does this mean I&#039;m a special interest group and can lay claim to Hawaii? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim S: Sweet! I donated $300. Does this mean I&#8217;m a special interest group and can lay claim to Hawaii? ;)</p>
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		<title>By: DougL</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/10/28/barack-buying-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-421752</link>
		<dc:creator>DougL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I thought parsing what definition of what &quot;is&quot; is was pretty ludicrous. You want to find a distinction between &quot;donors&quot; and &quot;contributors&quot;. I don&#039;t suppose there&#039;s some formal distinction that you can point to (like maybe FEC regulations or something similar) other than what&#039;s required to make your twisted reasoning fit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I thought parsing what definition of what &#8220;is&#8221; is was pretty ludicrous. You want to find a distinction between &#8220;donors&#8221; and &#8220;contributors&#8221;. I don&#8217;t suppose there&#8217;s some formal distinction that you can point to (like maybe FEC regulations or something similar) other than what&#8217;s required to make your twisted reasoning fit.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Sickinger</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/10/28/barack-buying-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-421748</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Sickinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MW: a well thought out piece.  I don&#039;t agree with all of it, but I really have one primary question, since i dont consider any of the other things you covered to be any more damning than the things mccain and co. have done:
Is your argument something on the coming ultra-godlike powers of ATT?
Or there are other corporations to add to this really big tie-in besides ATT?

Like halliburton with Cheney - but the telecom industry instead of oil...

NO WAR FOR CELL PHONE SERVICE!
CELL TOWERS ARE THE ONLY REASON WE ARE IN (insert nation here)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MW: a well thought out piece.  I don&#8217;t agree with all of it, but I really have one primary question, since i dont consider any of the other things you covered to be any more damning than the things mccain and co. have done:<br />
Is your argument something on the coming ultra-godlike powers of ATT?<br />
Or there are other corporations to add to this really big tie-in besides ATT?</p>
<p>Like halliburton with Cheney &#8211; but the telecom industry instead of oil&#8230;</p>
<p>NO WAR FOR CELL PHONE SERVICE!<br />
CELL TOWERS ARE THE ONLY REASON WE ARE IN (insert nation here)</p>
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		<title>By: RR</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/10/28/barack-buying-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-421746</link>
		<dc:creator>RR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MW asks &quot;Why they are making multiple small donations rather than one large donation, I cannot say. Perhaps you can explain a reason. &quot;

I&#039;m a small donor to the campaign.   I&#039;ve definitely given almost $500 at this point over the course of the campaign but I&#039;ve never given more than $25 or $50 at a shot.  Why?  I couldn&#039;t afford to give more.  Most of the people that I know that have donated are like me.  They can&#039;t afford to give a large sum at once.  I suspect that many of Obama&#039;s donors are like me as opposed to those that typically give to Republican candidates.  This is also the first candidate in any election I&#039;ve donated to which is also common among the people I know that have donated to Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MW asks &#8220;Why they are making multiple small donations rather than one large donation, I cannot say. Perhaps you can explain a reason. &#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a small donor to the campaign.   I&#8217;ve definitely given almost $500 at this point over the course of the campaign but I&#8217;ve never given more than $25 or $50 at a shot.  Why?  I couldn&#8217;t afford to give more.  Most of the people that I know that have donated are like me.  They can&#8217;t afford to give a large sum at once.  I suspect that many of Obama&#8217;s donors are like me as opposed to those that typically give to Republican candidates.  This is also the first candidate in any election I&#8217;ve donated to which is also common among the people I know that have donated to Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: bunny fufu</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunny fufu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s pretty obvious why so many people contributed multiple times. The first contribution was because people thought maybe this guy was worth believing in. Then every time people heard &quot;Muslim&quot; or &quot;terrorist&quot; they got a little madder and opened their wallets a little wider. Then some Congresswoman spouts McCarthyisms. Then an imaginary line between Real and Fake America was drawn. Then there&#039;s the term &quot;socialist&quot; and talk of how some people see America differently. I&#039;d like to see statistics regarding smears and small donations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s pretty obvious why so many people contributed multiple times. The first contribution was because people thought maybe this guy was worth believing in. Then every time people heard &#8220;Muslim&#8221; or &#8220;terrorist&#8221; they got a little madder and opened their wallets a little wider. Then some Congresswoman spouts McCarthyisms. Then an imaginary line between Real and Fake America was drawn. Then there&#8217;s the term &#8220;socialist&#8221; and talk of how some people see America differently. I&#8217;d like to see statistics regarding smears and small donations.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m personally disturbed that is requiring so much money to win elections.  I think that&#039;s probably one of the biggest flaws currently in our form of government.
-chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m personally disturbed that is requiring so much money to win elections.  I think that&#8217;s probably one of the biggest flaws currently in our form of government.<br />
-chris</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/10/28/barack-buying-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-421707</link>
		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;They lost in the Supreme Court and moved on...&quot;&lt;/i&gt; - JS&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I accept that as a rational explanation. However I don&#039;t really believe you are speaking for the majority of the left on this question. 

Regarding the threshold for small donors, obviously it is an arbitrary number.  However, the big point  of the WaPo article that George W. Bush had a larger percentage of small donors / large donors than Obama, is probably not going to change by sliding the threshold to some other arbitrarily larger threshold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;They lost in the Supreme Court and moved on&#8230;&#8221;</i> &#8211; JS</p></blockquote>
<p>I accept that as a rational explanation. However I don&#8217;t really believe you are speaking for the majority of the left on this question. </p>
<p>Regarding the threshold for small donors, obviously it is an arbitrary number.  However, the big point  of the WaPo article that George W. Bush had a larger percentage of small donors / large donors than Obama, is probably not going to change by sliding the threshold to some other arbitrarily larger threshold.</p>
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		<title>By: bunny fufu</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunny fufu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the beginning, people opened their wallets and gave a little money to a man they believed in. Then the campaigning began and every time &quot;muslim&quot; or &quot;terrorist&quot; was used, people got angrier at how our democratic process was being subverted by fear-mongerers. Wallets opened again and another small donation was made. Then some Congresswoman says that the media should expose pro-American and anti-American Congressmen. Then some (obviously) sick woman race baits by scratching herself on the face. &quot;Socialist,&quot; &quot;Arab,&quot; &quot;Real America.&quot; It&#039;s not that hard to figure out why people give multiple times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the beginning, people opened their wallets and gave a little money to a man they believed in. Then the campaigning began and every time &#8220;muslim&#8221; or &#8220;terrorist&#8221; was used, people got angrier at how our democratic process was being subverted by fear-mongerers. Wallets opened again and another small donation was made. Then some Congresswoman says that the media should expose pro-American and anti-American Congressmen. Then some (obviously) sick woman race baits by scratching herself on the face. &#8220;Socialist,&#8221; &#8220;Arab,&#8221; &#8220;Real America.&#8221; It&#8217;s not that hard to figure out why people give multiple times.</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
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		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;Oh youâ€™re just full of huff-and-puff...&lt;/i&gt; - GM&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I prefer to think of it as - &quot;facts&quot;.  I note your response did not disagree or challenge the factual basis of my statement.  

To answer your question: It depends on &quot;how close&quot;.  If the election finishes with Obama showing an 8%+ margin of victory, then no - I don&#039;t think it would make a difference and Obama would have won anyway. If the margin of victory is close - lets say ~3%, then yes I think that the huge disparity in contributions and spending could very well be the primary factor and the difference in victory or defeat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;Oh youâ€™re just full of huff-and-puff&#8230;</i> &#8211; GM</p></blockquote>
<p>I prefer to think of it as &#8211; &#8220;facts&#8221;.  I note your response did not disagree or challenge the factual basis of my statement.  </p>
<p>To answer your question: It depends on &#8220;how close&#8221;.  If the election finishes with Obama showing an 8%+ margin of victory, then no &#8211; I don&#8217;t think it would make a difference and Obama would have won anyway. If the margin of victory is close &#8211; lets say ~3%, then yes I think that the huge disparity in contributions and spending could very well be the primary factor and the difference in victory or defeat.</p>
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