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		<title>By: Solomon Kleinsmith</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2008/11/01/yes-obama-was-born-in-the-united-states/comment-page-1/#comment-523335</link>
		<dc:creator>Solomon Kleinsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got two points here.

-1- This isn&#039;t a particularly unreasonable bill at face value, but the context in which it has been brought up is very plainly a nod to birthers. You can think this is a good thing, or not, but that this is the case is obvious.

-2- ALL of the actual evidence points to Obama being born in the US. Bodies like the Republican Party, the conservative Supreme Court, and other powerful Conservative organizations don&#039;t take on this issue... &lt;b&gt; because they know its bogus &lt;/b&gt;. They would have every reason to go down that route, as frankly Joe Biden would be a much easier opponent to deal with... and the fact that people like Castle would brush off the issue so nonchalantly is a testament as to how far from reality the charges are.

Do you not think that the Republican Party did its due diligence against Obama? The Republican Governor of Hawaii certified he was born in the US for heaven&#039;s sake.

For you conspiracy theory prone people, I can understand how you might think that there could be a tiny tiny chance that this was a hoax... IF... it was only stakeholders in liberalism that offered comment. This is not the case. I repeat... some of the people who have verified his being born in the US are precisely among those that would benefit the most if he was found to be born overseas, and those with enough power to both find out for certain AND get him kicked out of office if he was discovered to be foreign born (namely the Republican Party) are not pursuing the issue... because there... is... not... a... single... thread... of... evidence.

The Supreme Court will not take up this issue because they only deal with issues... with merit. Congress often goes off on a lark, going down the road with issues that are pretty fanciful... and they wont even take it up... because... *drumroll*... its A JOKE.

If you&#039;re buying into this stuff... from the perspective of liberals, moderates (like myself) and every single conservative I know... you are a cartoon, a maroon ,a crackpot and not materially different than those who believe that the moon landing was a hoax, the world is hollow, or... well... insert your favorite ridiculous conspiracy here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got two points here.</p>
<p>-1- This isn&#8217;t a particularly unreasonable bill at face value, but the context in which it has been brought up is very plainly a nod to birthers. You can think this is a good thing, or not, but that this is the case is obvious.</p>
<p>-2- ALL of the actual evidence points to Obama being born in the US. Bodies like the Republican Party, the conservative Supreme Court, and other powerful Conservative organizations don&#8217;t take on this issue&#8230; <b> because they know its bogus </b>. They would have every reason to go down that route, as frankly Joe Biden would be a much easier opponent to deal with&#8230; and the fact that people like Castle would brush off the issue so nonchalantly is a testament as to how far from reality the charges are.</p>
<p>Do you not think that the Republican Party did its due diligence against Obama? The Republican Governor of Hawaii certified he was born in the US for heaven&#8217;s sake.</p>
<p>For you conspiracy theory prone people, I can understand how you might think that there could be a tiny tiny chance that this was a hoax&#8230; IF&#8230; it was only stakeholders in liberalism that offered comment. This is not the case. I repeat&#8230; some of the people who have verified his being born in the US are precisely among those that would benefit the most if he was found to be born overseas, and those with enough power to both find out for certain AND get him kicked out of office if he was discovered to be foreign born (namely the Republican Party) are not pursuing the issue&#8230; because there&#8230; is&#8230; not&#8230; a&#8230; single&#8230; thread&#8230; of&#8230; evidence.</p>
<p>The Supreme Court will not take up this issue because they only deal with issues&#8230; with merit. Congress often goes off on a lark, going down the road with issues that are pretty fanciful&#8230; and they wont even take it up&#8230; because&#8230; *drumroll*&#8230; its A JOKE.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re buying into this stuff&#8230; from the perspective of liberals, moderates (like myself) and every single conservative I know&#8230; you are a cartoon, a maroon ,a crackpot and not materially different than those who believe that the moon landing was a hoax, the world is hollow, or&#8230; well&#8230; insert your favorite ridiculous conspiracy here.</p>
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		<title>By: Show some ID</title>
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		<dc:creator>Show some ID</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not a conspiracy to require documentation that all of us citizens have to furnish to authorities.  Did you notice the wording of the &#039;officials&#039;? They didn&#039;t certify he was born in HI, instead they certified they saw his birth certificate, which could be from Kenya... thats the frikin question, they could have said, &quot;we can&#039;t release it, but we can tell you, we have official documents verifying his birth in Honolulu&quot;.   At that point, the &#039;conspiracy&#039; would have to include state officials lying, but as it stands, no one has stated anything to refute anything.  We dont even have to see it, make Congress or the Supreme Court give a unanimous concurring statement to his birth in HI, and his eligibility, that would shut down all of these concerns...... then ONLY the tinfoil hat wearers who don&#039;t think we landed on the moon, and that 911 was an inside job, would still doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not a conspiracy to require documentation that all of us citizens have to furnish to authorities.  Did you notice the wording of the &#8216;officials&#8217;? They didn&#8217;t certify he was born in HI, instead they certified they saw his birth certificate, which could be from Kenya&#8230; thats the frikin question, they could have said, &#8220;we can&#8217;t release it, but we can tell you, we have official documents verifying his birth in Honolulu&#8221;.   At that point, the &#8216;conspiracy&#8217; would have to include state officials lying, but as it stands, no one has stated anything to refute anything.  We dont even have to see it, make Congress or the Supreme Court give a unanimous concurring statement to his birth in HI, and his eligibility, that would shut down all of these concerns&#8230;&#8230; then ONLY the tinfoil hat wearers who don&#8217;t think we landed on the moon, and that 911 was an inside job, would still doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: US military guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>US military guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The headline for this entry is misleading, obviously made to be that way. If you read what the statement from Hawaii actually says. it does not say he was born there. 

FactCheckED.org is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center supported by a grant from the Flora Family.  If you look into Obama&#039;s past you will see his connection with the Annenberg foundation.

The 2 entries by Karen and Bunny FuFu compare cases that differ in legal situations. Obama&#039;s mother was underage at the time of birth and the suspected father was NOT a US citizen. 

The easy way to put an end to this case still remains to release his actual birth certificate.  Why does he resist doing this? Is he trying to provoke a Constitutional crisis... looks like it to me.  

This is not a good way to start out as Commander in Chief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The headline for this entry is misleading, obviously made to be that way. If you read what the statement from Hawaii actually says. it does not say he was born there. </p>
<p>FactCheckED.org is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center supported by a grant from the Flora Family.  If you look into Obama&#8217;s past you will see his connection with the Annenberg foundation.</p>
<p>The 2 entries by Karen and Bunny FuFu compare cases that differ in legal situations. Obama&#8217;s mother was underage at the time of birth and the suspected father was NOT a US citizen. </p>
<p>The easy way to put an end to this case still remains to release his actual birth certificate.  Why does he resist doing this? Is he trying to provoke a Constitutional crisis&#8230; looks like it to me.  </p>
<p>This is not a good way to start out as Commander in Chief.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Cain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Cain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always get my facts from rense.com anyway!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always get my facts from rense.com anyway!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;ll just claim it&#039;s fake anyway.  There&#039;s no reason to give in to ridiculous demands just because desperate people make them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;ll just claim it&#8217;s fake anyway.  There&#8217;s no reason to give in to ridiculous demands just because desperate people make them.</p>
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		<title>By: ExiledIndependent</title>
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		<dc:creator>ExiledIndependent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 05:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez, so why not just release the darn thing?  Ditto for recent health screening/checkup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez, so why not just release the darn thing?  Ditto for recent health screening/checkup.</p>
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		<title>By: bunny fufu</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunny fufu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 02:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had to look it up on the all-knowing internet. According to wikipedia, a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;natural born citizen&lt;/a&gt; includes someone born to a US citizen no matter where they were born. And, strangely, Mitt Romney&#039;s father, George, was born in Mexico... and ran for the Republican presidential nomination in 1968. 

According to wikipedia (George Romney entry):
&lt;blockquote&gt; It is notable that while Romney was born in Mexico, he was still considered to be a viable and legal candidate to run for office. His Mormon grandfather and his three wives fled to Mexico in 1886, but none of them ever relinquished their citizenship. While the Constitution does provide that a president must be a natural born citizen, the first Congress of the United States in 1790 passed legislation stating: &quot;The children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural-born citizens of the United States.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So there&#039;s a Republican precedence on presidential campaigning and citizenship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had to look it up on the all-knowing internet. According to wikipedia, a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen" rel="nofollow">natural born citizen</a> includes someone born to a US citizen no matter where they were born. And, strangely, Mitt Romney&#8217;s father, George, was born in Mexico&#8230; and ran for the Republican presidential nomination in 1968. </p>
<p>According to wikipedia (George Romney entry):</p>
<blockquote><p> It is notable that while Romney was born in Mexico, he was still considered to be a viable and legal candidate to run for office. His Mormon grandfather and his three wives fled to Mexico in 1886, but none of them ever relinquished their citizenship. While the Constitution does provide that a president must be a natural born citizen, the first Congress of the United States in 1790 passed legislation stating: &#8220;The children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural-born citizens of the United States.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>So there&#8217;s a Republican precedence on presidential campaigning and citizenship.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 00:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@thekansascitian

He has released it to Fact Check organizations.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

What else do you want?

Further, if you think he&#039;s a natural born citizen, why is puzzling that he wouldn&#039;t release his birth certificate? You do have to set limits with these kinds of things otherwise your critics will continue to ask and ask and ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@thekansascitian</p>
<p>He has released it to Fact Check organizations.<br />
<a href="http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html</a></p>
<p>What else do you want?</p>
<p>Further, if you think he&#8217;s a natural born citizen, why is puzzling that he wouldn&#8217;t release his birth certificate? You do have to set limits with these kinds of things otherwise your critics will continue to ask and ask and ask.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 00:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ thekansascitian:  So far, there hasn&#039;t been one source that has said anything BUT that Barack Obama was born in 1961 in Hawaii.  Hawaii became a state in 1959.   His mother was a US citizen born in Kansas, which, I believe, is also a state.  So, even if his US citizen mother was traveling abroad rather than living in Hawaii when Barack Obama was born, he&#039;d STILL be a US citizen, so all this blather about being &quot;natural born&quot; is just a smoke screen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ thekansascitian:  So far, there hasn&#8217;t been one source that has said anything BUT that Barack Obama was born in 1961 in Hawaii.  Hawaii became a state in 1959.   His mother was a US citizen born in Kansas, which, I believe, is also a state.  So, even if his US citizen mother was traveling abroad rather than living in Hawaii when Barack Obama was born, he&#8217;d STILL be a US citizen, so all this blather about being &#8220;natural born&#8221; is just a smoke screen.</p>
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		<title>By: michael reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin, Justin, Justin.  So young.  So naive.  To believe that mere facts would stop the conspiracy nuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin, Justin, Justin.  So young.  So naive.  To believe that mere facts would stop the conspiracy nuts.</p>
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		<title>By: thekansascitian</title>
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		<dc:creator>thekansascitian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the exact quote from Fukino, &quot;I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaiâ€˜i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaiâ€˜i State Department of Health has Sen. Obamaâ€™s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawaiâ€˜i.â€

No one ever doubted they had it.  They are acting has if that settled the dispute.  The dispute wasn&#039;t that they had Obama&#039;s birth certificate but whether that birth certificate indicated he was born in Hawaii or was born to an Hawaiin citizen abroad.  Hawaii law states that if a Hawaiian cictizen has a child abroad that citizen can request a certification of birth be issued in Hawaii.  That is exactly what challengers of Obama&#039;s natural born status have alleged.

The statement by the Hawaii officials fails to address that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the exact quote from Fukino, &#8220;I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaiâ€˜i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaiâ€˜i State Department of Health has Sen. Obamaâ€™s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawaiâ€˜i.â€</p>
<p>No one ever doubted they had it.  They are acting has if that settled the dispute.  The dispute wasn&#8217;t that they had Obama&#8217;s birth certificate but whether that birth certificate indicated he was born in Hawaii or was born to an Hawaiin citizen abroad.  Hawaii law states that if a Hawaiian cictizen has a child abroad that citizen can request a certification of birth be issued in Hawaii.  That is exactly what challengers of Obama&#8217;s natural born status have alleged.</p>
<p>The statement by the Hawaii officials fails to address that.</p>
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		<title>By: thekansascitian</title>
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		<dc:creator>thekansascitian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you read the original article, what you linked to is not what was actual stated by the Hawaii officials.

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200881031064

&quot;Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said today she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama&#039;s original birth certificate.&quot;

They went on to indicate they could not view the document because &quot;state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.&quot;  To ANYONE, which includes them.

I believe Obama is a natural-born citizen, which is what makes his refussal to just authorize the release and end this debate all the more puzzling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you read the original article, what you linked to is not what was actual stated by the Hawaii officials.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200881031064" rel="nofollow">http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200881031064</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said today she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama&#8217;s original birth certificate.&#8221;</p>
<p>They went on to indicate they could not view the document because &#8220;state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.&#8221;  To ANYONE, which includes them.</p>
<p>I believe Obama is a natural-born citizen, which is what makes his refussal to just authorize the release and end this debate all the more puzzling.</p>
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