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	<title>Comments on: No Case Files Exist For Guantanamo Detainees?</title>
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		<title>By: Manchester2</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/01/26/no-case-files-exist-for-guantanamo-detainees/comment-page-1/#comment-435639</link>
		<dc:creator>Manchester2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just lock &#039;em up and throw away the key. It will be a good day when Gitmo closes, and yes, bring the prisoners to U.S. soil and give them the due process they should have had in the first place. Otherwise, what are our soldiers fighting for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just lock &#8216;em up and throw away the key. It will be a good day when Gitmo closes, and yes, bring the prisoners to U.S. soil and give them the due process they should have had in the first place. Otherwise, what are our soldiers fighting for?</p>
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		<title>By: Faraz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faraz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a cruel act they have done ..i must feel to kill all these MF and cut them into pieces believe me i am not kinda person who believes in torture but since when i heard stories about those dogs in Gitmo prison then i lost my petience and feel like this ....

They kept them for years with any trial nor any valid allegation..who will pay for that.? that is the basic question i must ask to you

lives of prisoners have been destroyed and few of them commited suicide&#039;s there famillies are crying and yelling to GOD what had they done..

American&#039;s if you are really justice loving people then i urge you to destroy all those perpetrators of BUSH and his Company with miserable death to teach a lesson for the Animal&#039;s like him to come ...save the humanity and its values !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a cruel act they have done ..i must feel to kill all these MF and cut them into pieces believe me i am not kinda person who believes in torture but since when i heard stories about those dogs in Gitmo prison then i lost my petience and feel like this &#8230;.</p>
<p>They kept them for years with any trial nor any valid allegation..who will pay for that.? that is the basic question i must ask to you</p>
<p>lives of prisoners have been destroyed and few of them commited suicide&#8217;s there famillies are crying and yelling to GOD what had they done..</p>
<p>American&#8217;s if you are really justice loving people then i urge you to destroy all those perpetrators of BUSH and his Company with miserable death to teach a lesson for the Animal&#8217;s like him to come &#8230;save the humanity and its values !</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is Bush not in jail?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is Bush not in jail?</p>
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		<title>By: John Rohan</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Rohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 09:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People need to understand that there is a difference between the judicial world and the intelligence world (I&#039;ve worked in both).

1. The judicial side is interested in getting the facts of the case to find a perpetrator and build a strong enough case for a prosecution, or to secure some other type of legal remedy. They avoid illegal methods, because a court won&#039;t allow evidence that was obtained illegally.

2. The intelligence side is far less interested in what someone did in the past, as they are with what their knowledge could mean for future operations. After all, terrorist A is already in detention - so we need to focus on questioning A to find terrorist B. Since its not their job to get a conviction in court, they are also less concerned whether the information was legally obtained or not.

With only this article to go on, its pretty clear that the Gitmo detainees were far more in category 2 than category 1. This is not so sinister or negligent as Justin Gardner implies here. If prisoner A had information about both Terrorist B and additionally he had info about the nuclear program of Country C, then the Terrorist B info might go to one agency that was interested in him, and the Country C info might go to another agency that is more interested in that. There&#039;s nothing wrong with this per se, and it might look &quot;negligent&quot; from the outside, but yes eventually you have to consolidate the information, because at some point you have to convict them or let them go. But the first priority was (and is) the prevention of future attacks rather than convictions.

Since Obama now wants to close the prison, he needs to have his people start building up actual cases against these men. That&#039;s just the way the process goes.  If Obama or anyone claims they have to delay closing the prison because of this, they are instead actually looking for excuses to keep Gitmo open and blame someone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People need to understand that there is a difference between the judicial world and the intelligence world (I&#8217;ve worked in both).</p>
<p>1. The judicial side is interested in getting the facts of the case to find a perpetrator and build a strong enough case for a prosecution, or to secure some other type of legal remedy. They avoid illegal methods, because a court won&#8217;t allow evidence that was obtained illegally.</p>
<p>2. The intelligence side is far less interested in what someone did in the past, as they are with what their knowledge could mean for future operations. After all, terrorist A is already in detention &#8211; so we need to focus on questioning A to find terrorist B. Since its not their job to get a conviction in court, they are also less concerned whether the information was legally obtained or not.</p>
<p>With only this article to go on, its pretty clear that the Gitmo detainees were far more in category 2 than category 1. This is not so sinister or negligent as Justin Gardner implies here. If prisoner A had information about both Terrorist B and additionally he had info about the nuclear program of Country C, then the Terrorist B info might go to one agency that was interested in him, and the Country C info might go to another agency that is more interested in that. There&#8217;s nothing wrong with this per se, and it might look &#8220;negligent&#8221; from the outside, but yes eventually you have to consolidate the information, because at some point you have to convict them or let them go. But the first priority was (and is) the prevention of future attacks rather than convictions.</p>
<p>Since Obama now wants to close the prison, he needs to have his people start building up actual cases against these men. That&#8217;s just the way the process goes.  If Obama or anyone claims they have to delay closing the prison because of this, they are instead actually looking for excuses to keep Gitmo open and blame someone else.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It also shows that they didn&#039;&#039;t care about gaining any information about who these people were or what they were really doing.  You know, usable intel to &quot;keep us safe&quot;.  Everything these scum did had only one purpose, remove money from the treasury and stuff it in &quot;the base&#039;s&quot; pockets.  Yup, Bush&#039;s best buddies, &quot;the haves and have mores&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It also shows that they didn&#8221;t care about gaining any information about who these people were or what they were really doing.  You know, usable intel to &#8220;keep us safe&#8221;.  Everything these scum did had only one purpose, remove money from the treasury and stuff it in &#8220;the base&#8217;s&#8221; pockets.  Yup, Bush&#8217;s best buddies, &#8220;the haves and have mores&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No case files or destroyed case files?</description>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 00:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>isn&#039;t this supposedly why we have the DHS?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>isn&#8217;t this supposedly why we have the DHS?</p>
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