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	<title>Comments on: Test One for Obama: Urgency Wins Out Over Change</title>
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	<description>Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: Booker Rising</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/02/12/test-one-for-obama-urgency-wins-out-over-change/comment-page-1/#comment-436630</link>
		<dc:creator>Booker Rising</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Test One For Obama: Urgency Wins Out Over Change...&lt;/strong&gt;

Asserts Alan Stewart Carl, a moderate blogger, about the Obama administration&#039;s first major test: &quot;John Dickerson at Slate points out one of the unfortunate truths behind the stimulus bill: the process didn?t go as President Obama promised. All that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Test One For Obama: Urgency Wins Out Over Change&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Asserts Alan Stewart Carl, a moderate blogger, about the Obama administration&#8217;s first major test: &#8220;John Dickerson at Slate points out one of the unfortunate truths behind the stimulus bill: the process didn?t go as President Obama promised. All that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 04:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin beat me to the part that jumps out the most to me. But there&#039;s also other things.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Stimulating the economy is a â€œdoes it work or doesnâ€™t it workâ€ problem. Every provision in the package should have been evaluated on its stimulus merits, not on whether or not itâ€™s a cause Democrats support.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What&#039;s wrong with these sentences? It&#039;s very simple. It&#039;s based on the assumption that the Republicans who claim that they know which parts will work and which ones won&#039;t really have a clue. They don&#039;t. I think their proposals that we do nothing except cut taxes proves that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin beat me to the part that jumps out the most to me. But there&#8217;s also other things.</p>
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Stimulating the economy is a â€œdoes it work or doesnâ€™t it workâ€ problem. Every provision in the package should have been evaluated on its stimulus merits, not on whether or not itâ€™s a cause Democrats support.
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<p>What&#8217;s wrong with these sentences? It&#8217;s very simple. It&#8217;s based on the assumption that the Republicans who claim that they know which parts will work and which ones won&#8217;t really have a clue. They don&#8217;t. I think their proposals that we do nothing except cut taxes proves that.</p>
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		<title>By: mw</title>
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		<dc:creator>mw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 04:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;But if youâ€™re expecting every single provision to be argued on the merits of whether or not itâ€™s better than another provision, thatâ€™s not realistic.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; - JG&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly. C&#039;mon Alan - what are you thinking? That our representatives will actually consider and debate the specifics of how they spend your money and mine? Ridiculous. Sure, that is what the Constitution says they are supposed to do. And I suppose there are some uninformed voters that might expect their representatives to carefully consider what and where and how the money we pay in taxes is spent. Maybe even compare one provision to another and prioritize what we really need and not waste it. Some people might even think that is their only f**king job. What a bunch of rubes. 

Our representatives don&#039;t have time for that nonsense. In fact, I think we need to take it to the next level to save them even more time. 

In the future, the administration should not even bother saying what the money is for. They should just submit a spending bill that says - &quot;Barack Obama wants to spend 10 trillion dollars&quot;. Then the Congress can debate if it should only be 9.9 trillion or 10.1 trillion without worrying about details like the content. Two Republican Senators will compromise and agree the bill should be $9.99 Trillion. Justin  can declare another bipartisan triumph on the part of the Obama administration. Everyone lives happily ever after. The End.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;But if youâ€™re expecting every single provision to be argued on the merits of whether or not itâ€™s better than another provision, thatâ€™s not realistic.&#8221;</i> &#8211; JG</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly. C&#8217;mon Alan &#8211; what are you thinking? That our representatives will actually consider and debate the specifics of how they spend your money and mine? Ridiculous. Sure, that is what the Constitution says they are supposed to do. And I suppose there are some uninformed voters that might expect their representatives to carefully consider what and where and how the money we pay in taxes is spent. Maybe even compare one provision to another and prioritize what we really need and not waste it. Some people might even think that is their only f**king job. What a bunch of rubes. </p>
<p>Our representatives don&#8217;t have time for that nonsense. In fact, I think we need to take it to the next level to save them even more time. </p>
<p>In the future, the administration should not even bother saying what the money is for. They should just submit a spending bill that says &#8211; &#8220;Barack Obama wants to spend 10 trillion dollars&#8221;. Then the Congress can debate if it should only be 9.9 trillion or 10.1 trillion without worrying about details like the content. Two Republican Senators will compromise and agree the bill should be $9.99 Trillion. Justin  can declare another bipartisan triumph on the part of the Obama administration. Everyone lives happily ever after. The End.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 01:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bla bla bla, what a load of crap alan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bla bla bla, what a load of crap alan.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark-NC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark-NC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the process didnâ€™t go as President Obama promised&quot;?

Perhaps not as he hoped!  Or, not as he would have wanted.

I&#039;d bet that Obama believed that after a clear win for the White House, and the biggest financial crisis of our lifetimes, Republicans would be serious about working on the Stimulus package.

What he got was petulant children having a tantrum.

My hope is that Obama has a fast learning curve.  He needs to learn that Republicans will NEVER be reasonable or responsible.  He needs to learn it RIGHT NOW!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the process didnâ€™t go as President Obama promised&#8221;?</p>
<p>Perhaps not as he hoped!  Or, not as he would have wanted.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d bet that Obama believed that after a clear win for the White House, and the biggest financial crisis of our lifetimes, Republicans would be serious about working on the Stimulus package.</p>
<p>What he got was petulant children having a tantrum.</p>
<p>My hope is that Obama has a fast learning curve.  He needs to learn that Republicans will NEVER be reasonable or responsible.  He needs to learn it RIGHT NOW!</p>
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		<title>By: mike mcEachran</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike mcEachran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want a kid to come out of the sandbox, you discuss it politely.  If she&#039;s playing in trafic you yank her by the arm.  Not sure what you wanted Obama to do here, but it seems like perhaps a little urgency was called for.  Urgent debate - we got that.   Do you really expect us to believe that the 38 Republicans would have voted for anything, regardless of how long we would have let them play in traffic?  Not on your life.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want a kid to come out of the sandbox, you discuss it politely.  If she&#8217;s playing in trafic you yank her by the arm.  Not sure what you wanted Obama to do here, but it seems like perhaps a little urgency was called for.  Urgent debate &#8211; we got that.   Do you really expect us to believe that the 38 Republicans would have voted for anything, regardless of how long we would have let them play in traffic?  Not on your life.  </p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this line sums it up, &quot;Over three weeks into the Obama administration and weâ€™re still waiting for change to come to Washington.&quot;

Yes. Three whole weeks. That represents what...1% of the total time of his presidency? I think you can give him a little leeway.

It&#039;s like everybody asking, &quot;Is bipartisanship dead?&quot; What did everybody think? That Republicans would all of sudden start believing in deficit spending? Oh...wait.

Also, let me offer a challenge to your overarching point of secrecy. There were serious discussions about priorities, and those meetings were with the Republican who held the votes to pass this thing. So Dems had to compromise with them. If more Republicans wanted to come to the table, I&#039;m sure that could have happened. But if you&#039;re expecting every single provision to be argued on the merits of whether or not it&#039;s better than another provision, that&#039;s not realistic. Do you know how long that would take?

Long story short, this bill passed with as much bipartisan support as it need to pass with. Obama and company made serious concessions, but they obviously weren&#039;t going to flip the bit on the 35/65 tax cuts/spending on their bill when their non-partisan economic advisors told them that the multiplier for spending was MUCH higher than tax cuts. Republicans were literally asking them to go against the advice of the decidedly centrist economic advisors they just appointed to address this crisis. Would you do that? Of course not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this line sums it up, &#8220;Over three weeks into the Obama administration and weâ€™re still waiting for change to come to Washington.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes. Three whole weeks. That represents what&#8230;1% of the total time of his presidency? I think you can give him a little leeway.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like everybody asking, &#8220;Is bipartisanship dead?&#8221; What did everybody think? That Republicans would all of sudden start believing in deficit spending? Oh&#8230;wait.</p>
<p>Also, let me offer a challenge to your overarching point of secrecy. There were serious discussions about priorities, and those meetings were with the Republican who held the votes to pass this thing. So Dems had to compromise with them. If more Republicans wanted to come to the table, I&#8217;m sure that could have happened. But if you&#8217;re expecting every single provision to be argued on the merits of whether or not it&#8217;s better than another provision, that&#8217;s not realistic. Do you know how long that would take?</p>
<p>Long story short, this bill passed with as much bipartisan support as it need to pass with. Obama and company made serious concessions, but they obviously weren&#8217;t going to flip the bit on the 35/65 tax cuts/spending on their bill when their non-partisan economic advisors told them that the multiplier for spending was MUCH higher than tax cuts. Republicans were literally asking them to go against the advice of the decidedly centrist economic advisors they just appointed to address this crisis. Would you do that? Of course not.</p>
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