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	<title>Comments on: Popular Opinion Turns Against Republicans On Health Care?</title>
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		<title>By: kranky kritter</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/09/26/popular-opinion-turns-against-republicans-on-health-care/comment-page-2/#comment-559285</link>
		<dc:creator>kranky kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s your source that the GOP will even filibuster? Remember, they&#039;d need unanimity, too. And if they do that, they could easily be cast as the bad guys.

The campaign on healthcare reform is playing out on tv now, with ads and so on. I&#039;ve seen the increase lately so we know that &quot;it&#039;s on!&quot; The positions the parties and their factions take as a vote on a bill approaches will depend on who wins the war for public opinion.

So I don&#039;t expect the GOP to try to filibuster unless they think they already have the democrats on the run, public opinion wise. If opinion is close, they might eschew a filibuster, saying they don&#039;t have the votes. Thus they force the democrats to pass a bill that&#039;s all-democrat, and then the GOP can run in 2010 against whatever passes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s your source that the GOP will even filibuster? Remember, they&#8217;d need unanimity, too. And if they do that, they could easily be cast as the bad guys.</p>
<p>The campaign on healthcare reform is playing out on tv now, with ads and so on. I&#8217;ve seen the increase lately so we know that &#8220;it&#8217;s on!&#8221; The positions the parties and their factions take as a vote on a bill approaches will depend on who wins the war for public opinion.</p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t expect the GOP to try to filibuster unless they think they already have the democrats on the run, public opinion wise. If opinion is close, they might eschew a filibuster, saying they don&#8217;t have the votes. Thus they force the democrats to pass a bill that&#8217;s all-democrat, and then the GOP can run in 2010 against whatever passes.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/09/26/popular-opinion-turns-against-republicans-on-health-care/comment-page-2/#comment-559274</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kk,

Unanimity on a final bill is unlikely. What we really need is unanimity opposing a GOP Filibuster, and that is possible. Maybe not with a public option, but no Democrat&#039;s self-interest is served by being the guy liberals blame for defeat on health reform. If you&#039;re that guy you ain&#039;t winning a Democratic primary anytime soon.

Shay,
&lt;blockquote&gt;The Democrats don’t need a single Republican vote to pass whatever health care legislation that they wish to pass, which clearly a majority of the American public is unaware of here. It is Democrats who are blocking whatever the president wants to do. If there’s so much public support, then why haven’t they passed it already?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The filibuster-proof majority only existed for a month. Then Ted Kennedy had to go off and die. Now  he&#039;s been replaced, but Health Care has to be paid for so it has to go through the Conservative Finance Committee.

And that takes awhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kk,</p>
<p>Unanimity on a final bill is unlikely. What we really need is unanimity opposing a GOP Filibuster, and that is possible. Maybe not with a public option, but no Democrat&#8217;s self-interest is served by being the guy liberals blame for defeat on health reform. If you&#8217;re that guy you ain&#8217;t winning a Democratic primary anytime soon.</p>
<p>Shay,</p>
<blockquote><p>The Democrats don’t need a single Republican vote to pass whatever health care legislation that they wish to pass, which clearly a majority of the American public is unaware of here. It is Democrats who are blocking whatever the president wants to do. If there’s so much public support, then why haven’t they passed it already?</p></blockquote>
<p>The filibuster-proof majority only existed for a month. Then Ted Kennedy had to go off and die. Now  he&#8217;s been replaced, but Health Care has to be paid for so it has to go through the Conservative Finance Committee.</p>
<p>And that takes awhile.</p>
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		<title>By: kranky kritter</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/09/26/popular-opinion-turns-against-republicans-on-health-care/comment-page-2/#comment-558861</link>
		<dc:creator>kranky kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wingnuts in the 2-party dance love to claim the other side is irrelevant via whatever argument they can slap together. But let&#039;s face it, such a claim can&#039;t rise above comic hyperbole unless the other side has been so beaten as to hold only a handful of seats.

The GOP holds 40 seats in the senate. That makes them quite relevant unless the democratic party can achieve unanimity. Who wants to bet the democrats will achieve unanimity? Anyone? Bueller?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wingnuts in the 2-party dance love to claim the other side is irrelevant via whatever argument they can slap together. But let&#8217;s face it, such a claim can&#8217;t rise above comic hyperbole unless the other side has been so beaten as to hold only a handful of seats.</p>
<p>The GOP holds 40 seats in the senate. That makes them quite relevant unless the democratic party can achieve unanimity. Who wants to bet the democrats will achieve unanimity? Anyone? Bueller?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/09/26/popular-opinion-turns-against-republicans-on-health-care/comment-page-2/#comment-558714</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with all of that, but it doesn&#039;t make them irrelevant as members of congress.  Maybe the republican party is irrelevant, and that&#039;s what you mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with all of that, but it doesn&#8217;t make them irrelevant as members of congress.  Maybe the republican party is irrelevant, and that&#8217;s what you mean.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/09/26/popular-opinion-turns-against-republicans-on-health-care/comment-page-2/#comment-558674</link>
		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, 

That does not make the Republican Party relevant to politics.  If serving as a foil for the Democratic Party is the only way to appear relevant, the the even more irrelevant than most people believe. 

Any Republican in the Senate who votes with the Democrats is setting themselves up to serve as the scapegoat. for any future failures.  Any Republican vote gives the Democrats the excuse that they had to adjust the bill to get that Republican vote and that is why it is over budget, under performing, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, </p>
<p>That does not make the Republican Party relevant to politics.  If serving as a foil for the Democratic Party is the only way to appear relevant, the the even more irrelevant than most people believe. </p>
<p>Any Republican in the Senate who votes with the Democrats is setting themselves up to serve as the scapegoat. for any future failures.  Any Republican vote gives the Democrats the excuse that they had to adjust the bill to get that Republican vote and that is why it is over budget, under performing, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin @ The Liberty Handbook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin @ The Liberty Handbook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only way to really find out what the people think is to watch how they vote in 2010.  The may not trust Republicans more, but I bet you they&#039;ll give them another chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way to really find out what the people think is to watch how they vote in 2010.  The may not trust Republicans more, but I bet you they&#8217;ll give them another chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/09/26/popular-opinion-turns-against-republicans-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-558469</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^?

They&#039;re relevant because a couple votes from them could make up for the couple votes that the democrats won&#039;t give.  They&#039;re relevant because they still represent rural people, who most likely are under or not insured or don&#039;t have adequate access to health care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^?</p>
<p>They&#8217;re relevant because a couple votes from them could make up for the couple votes that the democrats won&#8217;t give.  They&#8217;re relevant because they still represent rural people, who most likely are under or not insured or don&#8217;t have adequate access to health care.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/09/26/popular-opinion-turns-against-republicans-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-558464</link>
		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until someone have prove that the Republicans are relevant to the politics process of the U.S., what people think or do not think of them is irrelevant. 

The only question on health care is what the Democrats in Congress and the Administration want to do and what they willing to take the blame for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until someone have prove that the Republicans are relevant to the politics process of the U.S., what people think or do not think of them is irrelevant. </p>
<p>The only question on health care is what the Democrats in Congress and the Administration want to do and what they willing to take the blame for.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/09/26/popular-opinion-turns-against-republicans-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-558455</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So few people have voted for a long time, and if I remember right, more people came to the polls the last two elections than usual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So few people have voted for a long time, and if I remember right, more people came to the polls the last two elections than usual.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/09/26/popular-opinion-turns-against-republicans-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-558442</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who can we really trust ? Our politicians seem in many cases to be in someone&#039;s pocket or the lackey of a special interest group. It&#039;s damned discouraging and often we see virulent partisan politics and animosity and the pundits stirring it all up. And we have people like Kimbaugh, Beck, Maddow,Olbermann ans O&#039;Reilly telling us what is right and wrong. No wonder so few people vote anymore !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who can we really trust ? Our politicians seem in many cases to be in someone&#8217;s pocket or the lackey of a special interest group. It&#8217;s damned discouraging and often we see virulent partisan politics and animosity and the pundits stirring it all up. And we have people like Kimbaugh, Beck, Maddow,Olbermann ans O&#8217;Reilly telling us what is right and wrong. No wonder so few people vote anymore !</p>
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		<title>By: blackoutyears</title>
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		<dc:creator>blackoutyears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich, one question does not a prevailing sentiment debunk. And I believe it&#039;s the assertion that Rasmussen uses far more self-professed Republicans in its surveys that damns it, not whether or not the questions are phrased in neutral language. Non-partisan criticisms include survey answers being logged via touchpad and the fact that their surveys are robo-calls, not live interviewers. But hey, keep telling yourself you&#039;re the only sane person in the room. If I may ask a personal question, what causes your continued frequenting of donklephant? You&#039;re an arch-conservative of highly predictable mien. What could you possibly find useful about this blog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich, one question does not a prevailing sentiment debunk. And I believe it&#8217;s the assertion that Rasmussen uses far more self-professed Republicans in its surveys that damns it, not whether or not the questions are phrased in neutral language. Non-partisan criticisms include survey answers being logged via touchpad and the fact that their surveys are robo-calls, not live interviewers. But hey, keep telling yourself you&#8217;re the only sane person in the room. If I may ask a personal question, what causes your continued frequenting of donklephant? You&#8217;re an arch-conservative of highly predictable mien. What could you possibly find useful about this blog?</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Horton</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/09/26/popular-opinion-turns-against-republicans-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-558416</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Horton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the Rasmussen question:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Generally speaking, do you strongly favor, somewhat favor, somewhat oppose or strongly oppose the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and the congressional Democrats?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If you can find bias there, well, you truly are a magician.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the Rasmussen question:</p>
<blockquote><p>Generally speaking, do you strongly favor, somewhat favor, somewhat oppose or strongly oppose the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and the congressional Democrats?</p></blockquote>
<p>If you can find bias there, well, you truly are a magician.</p>
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		<title>By: blackoutyears</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/09/26/popular-opinion-turns-against-republicans-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-558414</link>
		<dc:creator>blackoutyears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Rasmussen had been pretty definitively dismissed as having a clear right-wing bias, and not just by liberals. I&#039;ll assume that&#039;s feigned sarcasm on your part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Rasmussen had been pretty definitively dismissed as having a clear right-wing bias, and not just by liberals. I&#8217;ll assume that&#8217;s feigned sarcasm on your part.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Horton</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/09/26/popular-opinion-turns-against-republicans-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-558407</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Horton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Rasmussen:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Just 41% of voters nationwide now favor the health care reform proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. That&#039;s down two points from a week ago and the lowest level of support yet measured. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 56% are opposed to the plan.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I guess Rasmussen is just part of the VRWC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Rasmussen:</p>
<blockquote><p>Just 41% of voters nationwide now favor the health care reform proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. That&#8217;s down two points from a week ago and the lowest level of support yet measured. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 56% are opposed to the plan.</p></blockquote>
<p>I guess Rasmussen is just part of the VRWC.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Gardner</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/09/26/popular-opinion-turns-against-republicans-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-558406</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, cool it with the language. You know the rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, cool it with the language. You know the rules.</p>
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		<title>By: wj</title>
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		<dc:creator>wj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the current faces of the Republican Party are driving away the independents.  But what is even worse is what they are doing to the less fanatically conservative members of their own party.  I have been a registered Republican for decades; and I think I&#039;m fairly conservative.  And I haven&#039;t found a party that I find significantly more appealing overall -- or maybe I&#039;m still in denial or something.

But I have reached the point that I have to assume that a Republican candidate in the general election (just by virtue of having made it thru the party primary successfully) is probably going to be so extremely conservative that the Democrat may well be closer to my positions on the issues.  At least, until I see something specific to lead me to believe that an individual Republican candidate is actually a sensible human being.  And there certainly are some out there . . . but it increasingly appears that they have to get d*mn lucky to make it thru the filter of the Republican primary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the current faces of the Republican Party are driving away the independents.  But what is even worse is what they are doing to the less fanatically conservative members of their own party.  I have been a registered Republican for decades; and I think I&#8217;m fairly conservative.  And I haven&#8217;t found a party that I find significantly more appealing overall &#8212; or maybe I&#8217;m still in denial or something.</p>
<p>But I have reached the point that I have to assume that a Republican candidate in the general election (just by virtue of having made it thru the party primary successfully) is probably going to be so extremely conservative that the Democrat may well be closer to my positions on the issues.  At least, until I see something specific to lead me to believe that an individual Republican candidate is actually a sensible human being.  And there certainly are some out there . . . but it increasingly appears that they have to get d*mn lucky to make it thru the filter of the Republican primary.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/09/26/popular-opinion-turns-against-republicans-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-558397</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shay, just because the democrats possibly have enough votes to pass it themselves doesn&#039;t mean that the republicans have no responsibility.  If no republican votes for it, obviously they&#039;re blocking it. Please. Don&#039;t try to pass off that bullshit on us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shay, just because the democrats possibly have enough votes to pass it themselves doesn&#8217;t mean that the republicans have no responsibility.  If no republican votes for it, obviously they&#8217;re blocking it. Please. Don&#8217;t try to pass off that bullshit on us.</p>
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		<title>By: Shay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 04:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Democrats don&#039;t need a single Republican vote to pass whatever health care legislation that they wish to pass, which clearly a majority of the American public is unaware of here. It is Democrats who are blocking whatever the president wants to do. If there&#039;s so much public support, then why haven&#039;t they passed it already?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Democrats don&#8217;t need a single Republican vote to pass whatever health care legislation that they wish to pass, which clearly a majority of the American public is unaware of here. It is Democrats who are blocking whatever the president wants to do. If there&#8217;s so much public support, then why haven&#8217;t they passed it already?</p>
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		<title>By: Fielding J. Hurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fielding J. Hurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 04:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I for one am worn out with all of the people who have lost their frickin&#039; minds over Obama.

I would like to see Ron Paul denounce Glenn Beck.  I wonder if he has lost some balls since he has gotten a lot of attention lately and his son is running for senate.  Beck was against Dr. Paul when it counted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I for one am worn out with all of the people who have lost their frickin&#8217; minds over Obama.</p>
<p>I would like to see Ron Paul denounce Glenn Beck.  I wonder if he has lost some balls since he has gotten a lot of attention lately and his son is running for senate.  Beck was against Dr. Paul when it counted.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://donklephant.com/2009/09/26/popular-opinion-turns-against-republicans-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-557886</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The current reform on the table sucks, if I think it sucks when it gets finalized I&#039;ll be contacting our state senators to vote against it.  I personally don&#039;t need any reform because all of my health care is paid for by the state.  But the state paying 1400 a month for insurance per person is ridiculous. That&#039;s where reform is needed, we&#039;re paying out the asshole and the only way that we&#039;re guaranteed care is if we have a giant organization behind us.  That&#039;s where reform is needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current reform on the table sucks, if I think it sucks when it gets finalized I&#8217;ll be contacting our state senators to vote against it.  I personally don&#8217;t need any reform because all of my health care is paid for by the state.  But the state paying 1400 a month for insurance per person is ridiculous. That&#8217;s where reform is needed, we&#8217;re paying out the asshole and the only way that we&#8217;re guaranteed care is if we have a giant organization behind us.  That&#8217;s where reform is needed.</p>
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