Hillary Gloom
By donar | Related entries in 2008 Election, Barack, Billary, Cartoons, Democrats, Pennsylvania, Political Graffiti
Six more weeks of negative vibes :(
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April 23rd, 2008 at 10:49 am
She’s like the groundhog.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:10 am
Funny, To me it feels like the sun is breaking through the clouds, the winter blues are broken and we are looking at a bright and shiny new day! I am filled with hope and optimism. I don’t know why the Obama supporters always have to be so dour and pessimistic about the future of our country.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:35 am
Because we know Hillary will not win against McCain. One thing Hillary supporters tend to forget is that NOTHING unites Republicans like a Clinton. They’re so chomping at the bit to vote against her that they want her to be the nominee so that McCain can waltz in (so to speak) to the White House. Ironic that some of them would vote for her in the Dem Primary just to have the chance to vote against her in the GE, eh?
Besides, do you really believe anything in Washington will change with Hillary (& Bill don’t forget) at the helm? It’s in their best interest to keep things just as they are and they owe way too much to special interests to do anything other than the status quo. She also will not have the ability to be a non-polarizing figure since, in the very off chance she’d win, her main raison d’etre will be to stick it to the Republicans that tried to destroy her & Bill back in the 90s and the Republicans will shoot down any of her initiatives, no matter how good or beneficial, just because they’re hers. That whole schoolyard attitude permeates the baby boomer generation, do you honestly think it’ll change?! If so, then we Obama supporters aren’t the naive ones. I wouldn’t blame her for feeling that way but that’s not what we need with the country going to hell in a handbasket.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:51 am
Another hopeful and optimistic Obama supporter heard from.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:23 pm
I notice that instead of trying to refute any of what I said, you decided to throw a sarcastic quip my way. Hopeful & optimistic about our country being able to change course with the right leadership does not mean not trying to learn from past experience. Besides, the way Hillary has run her campaign has only cemented in my mind that she would change nothing. I’m one of the people who, while I felt and feel that Obama would be a better president, would’ve been fine with either Hillary or Obama. Seeing a glimpse of her true colors in valuing her personal ambition more than the country (nice to know that since she didn’t win my state of IL, in Hillaryland, I don’t count) and running as the very epitome of what she raged against in the 90s (politics of personal destruction, anyone?) truly left me disenchanted with her. I don’t particularly trust her to do what’s best for the country if it’s not what’s best for her. The only real reasons that would have me hold my nose to vote for her if she does manage to wrest the nomination from Obama are that Hillary has more chance of surprising me than McCain does & I’m also thinking of the future makeup of the Supreme Court.
Let me ask you this mw, are you one of those Hillary supporters who will vote for McCain in retaliation if Obama is the nominee?
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Ouch! The cartoonist gave Clinton the Nixon Nose, a sure sign of cartoonish evil!
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:37 pm
That’s a funny observation. I normally draw Hillary very rigid and angular, but I never had to draw her into a fluffy cloud. By doing so, I’m afraid I made her look like Billary. A billowing Billary. Anyways, great comment on the sun breaking up the cloud, I never thought of that either. Caricatures of a politician often evolve and with this campaign, I have found my representations of Barack and Hillary have both changed or tweak from cartoon to cartoon. Check out my flickr site for more comparisons…http://www.flickr.com/photos/donar/
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Anna, MW is a troll. Ignore them, they’re just baiting you on.
Donar, I love your comics. I have to agree on the Nixon nose though. Too funny.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Actually she looks more like Angela Merkel. You got the chubby correct, you got the ugly correct, but you need to show a big overbite and beady eyes.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:25 pm
Based on what you wrote here Anna, I guess I already know the answer to the same question for you and Obama. I’d like to point out that it was and is the Obama supporters who go out of their way to attack the Clinton presidency, which most Americans recall with fondness, particularly in contrast to what we have had since. It is the Obama supporters who first drew the line in the sand and said they would not support Clinton if she was the nominee. You reap what you sow. And Obama supporters have sown nothing but resentment and hostility to the Clintons.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Aaron,
MW is a contributor here and an incredibly smart, thoughtful blogger. Dismissing him as a troll just makes you look bad.
By the way David, I love the cartoon. Keep up the awesome work.
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:34 pm
mw,
You may think you know but you might have missed this:
“The only real reasons that would have me hold my nose to vote for her if she does manage to wrest the nomination from Obama are that Hillary has more chance of surprising me than McCain does & I’m also thinking of the future makeup of the Supreme Court.”
It may not be clear, but it means that I would vote for her over McCain but it would be the lesser of two evils option that I’ve had in just about every election I’ve been old enough to vote in. Just once, I’d like to have an election where I want to vote *for* one candidate rather than against their opponent.
“I’d like to point out that it was and is the Obama supporters who go out of their way to attack the Clinton presidency, which most Americans recall with fondness, particularly in contrast to what we have had since. It is the Obama supporters who first drew the line in the sand and said they would not support Clinton if she was the nominee. You reap what you sow. And Obama supporters have sown nothing but resentment and hostility to the Clintons.” - mw
This is an over-generalization that some (notice that I’m not over generalizing here) Clinton supporters use to justify their approval of Hillary’s attempt to tear down a) a member of her own party who b) is more likely than not the Democratic nominee. That attitude of “Well they started it!” is something that most people grow out of after junior high school.
I actually remember the Clinton presidency, happily voted for Bill in both elections and thought Republicans constantly going after the Clintons was completely unfair and impeaching over lying about a BJ utterly despicable. I also thought the 90s were great but even though 9/11 did *not* change everything, as the Republicans would scare us into believing, times are different now. Bill took the helm with the economy in a bit of a slump but not too bad and in peacetime. There was the seeds of the uber-partisanship we see now that started under Reagan’s presidency (I was a teenager in the 80s and not quite as politically aware then) but in general things weren’t terrible. Now, the din of the partisanship is so loud & raucous that we’ve forgotten what we so have in common with each other and have only focused on our differences. Lincoln said that “A house divided against itself cannot stand” and this uber-partisanship divides us so much that we have difficulty coming together to find the common ground and common purpose we have to stand together to even attempt to solve our most dire problems. I believe the candidate to best help us find our common ground and lead us to it is Obama since Hillary would come in and day 1 have the decked stacked against her, hence nothing would change. Obama’s not the messiah and not perfect but I believe he’s the best shot we’ve got at this particular point in time. His policies aren’t all that different from Hillary so the question that Clinton supporters that claim they’d vote McCain over Obama need to ask themselves is why they feel such seeming disdain (some bordering on hatred) for someone who isn’t all that different policy-wise than Hillary yet doesn’t come in with the baggage she’d have?
Also, I think you might be mistaken that Obama supporters “started it” on saying they wouldn’t support Hillary but if you look at some of the most recent stats, it’s almost twice as many Hillary supporters who claim they won’t vote for Obama (last numbers I saw were 30% Hillary supporters vs. 18% Obama supporters though I don’t remember where). That’s why I asked if you were one of them because I certainly “hope” you’re not and if you are would “change” your mind. ;-) (corny, I know)
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Running on charm is the best way to get the majority of your votes from the masses with a laughably short attention spans and little desire to be truly informed beyond sound bites or feelings. Those with the time or interest will do the necessary research to actually learn about a candidate.
But nobody is going to “like” her more than obama, hell he’s got likability in spades, which makes him an easy feel-good person for whom to vote.
So if she can’t win the popularity contest, I think clinton is going with what she’s got and chooses to embrace the hard-nosed problem-solving bitch persona, because honestly it works for her.
“China’s president whose export-based economy may experience its first recession in 30 years, challenging his Communist Party at a time when U.S. protectionist sentiment will be rising. Who looks better, in your mind’s eye, sitting across the table? A talker or a fighter?” This echoes that sentiment. It’s a fair question, because obama has not shown us that he’s a fighter, but clinton has day in and day out.
Anyway I still have a hard time deciding. I truly feel like I could vote for either of the remaining candidates at this point and be equally satisfied and dissatisfied with my decision.
All 3 have some decent and some stupid economic policy ideas. Foreign policy wise mccain is being the most honest, but at least neither of the dems are going to engage additional opponents.
Obama’s biggest plus is he’s not beholden to special interests, based on his funding sources. Hillary’s is her proven grit and tenacity in the most unfavorable positions. McCain’s is that he’s not a democrat, which will matter when the next round of elections bring about super majorities for the democrats in the house and senate.
Each of those is reason enough for me to believe each would be a decent president.
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Anna,
I don’t know how I will vote in the general. All things being equal, I would prefer a divided government. But all things are not equal, and my number one issue is the war. So I am going to have to wait and see if there is moderation on McCain’s part and then I will assess who will be best equipped to find a way out of this quagmire without making it worse. I just have to reserve judgment on that until I see the candidates and what hapens in Iraq over the next few months.
If I am going to need to vote Dem to get us out of the war, then I want to know we will have hard-nosed competent administration. The Clintons are a team. They were in the nineties and they are now. I’m good with that. I know exactly what I am getting with a Clinton administration. Competence, hard-nosed negotiations, experience as CIC, and willingness to compromise on major issues when needed for the good of the country (welfare reform, NAFTA) are hallmarks of that administration.
There is a lot to like about Obama. I like his intelligence, I like his communication skills. Problem being, no one can have the slightest idea of what kind of an executive he will be. There is just nothing in the record that gives us any basis for knowing that. I don’t know, you don’t know, no one does. He could be a great president, he could be a disaster as president. It’s a coin fllp. I understand that he makes you and other Obama supporters feel good. Well thats just great. Jimmy Carter made me and a lot of other voters feel good. He was a terrible president. When I look at Obama, I see Jimmy Carter. I could be wrong. I don’t want to find out. I will be a lot happier about Obama as President, after he has spent four or eight years as Vice President, so we know what we are getting.
And if you think that partisanship now is any worse than it has ever been in our history, then you are simply betraying your ignorance of our history. Partisan bickering is the way it is supposed to work. “Ambition pitted against ambition” to quote James Madison, is the way our government is designed to work.
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:56 pm
I love the internet! When it was suggested that Clinton looked like German Chancellor Angela Merkel, I just laughed! I made her too doughy. So I sharpened her up a little and gave her teeth from the suggestions of TerenceC. Not only does a blog allow readers to give their 2 cents worth politically, they also make helpful comments artistically.
Thanks for the comments and I apologize if I am drawing Hillary evil, it’s just that she is so much fun to draw…or at least try to draw.
April 24th, 2008 at 6:42 am
So where is the “toothy” new Clinton Cloud hiding?