Veep Debate Open Stream
By Justin Gardner | Related entries in 2008 Election, Biden, Debates, Palin, Veep, VideoHere’s MSNBC’s live feed…
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Some advice. Since there’s video embedded here, I’d open this post in an additional tab too so you can comment quickly and you won’t have to start up the video again. Obviously that’s if you’re watching it in the post.
And away we go…
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October 2nd, 2008 at 6:58 pm
First! :p
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:01 pm
Vice Presidential Debate
How many times will Joe Biden go over the time limit?
Over 3 -130
Under 3 -110
How many times will Sarah Palin say “In what respect” when asked a question?
Over 2 -125
Under 2 -115
Will Sarah Palin refer to herself as a Hockey Mom?
Yes Even
No -140
How many times will the candidates begin a response with “That’s a great question”?
Over 3 -120
Under 3 -120
http://www.lines-maker.com/2008/09/sportsbook-posts-odds-for-presidential.html
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:01 pm
Oh…David Brooks just said that Palin needed to put together full paragraphs tonight. Ouch!
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:02 pm
You have to ask yourself…why is there so much attention being put on this debate? It isn’t because of Biden. If Romney had been McCain’s VP, we wouldn’t care.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Biden is hitting the points of Obama…boom, boom, boom, boom.
First mention of the middle class.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:05 pm
JG… Before McCain picked her, I’d hardly heard of her.
OMFG… Is Biden parroting the exact same thing Obama said a week ago??? I swear he is!
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Palin looking directly into the camera… hardcore.
Somebody stop her. She was racing. I’m exhausted just listening to her.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Good first answer by Palin. And she’s looking into the camera. Biden isn’t.
But Biden hits back with the “fundamentals” line.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:09 pm
Oh! She said maverick!
Drink!
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:10 pm
palin is doing ok.
shaky
but ok
drat
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:10 pm
“Darn right!!”
Wait… I thought the GOP was about personal responsiblity?
Hockey Mom #1–drink your shot!!
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:12 pm
nice keep the focus on McCain.
good strategy Biden.
Don’t get lured in.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Palin is trying to connect with Americans. Biden is on the attack against McCain and hoisting Obama.
What’s better?
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Lots of talk about “John” and occasionally “Barack”… but they’re not yet talking about themselves, or each other.
Gas tank… good anecdote.
“Darn right!”
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:13 pm
I told you guys. She ain’t a dummy.
But she just repeated the $42,000 tax lie.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:14 pm
I was waiting for the first big lie. Palin just went there.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Palin’s anchor skills are coming through nicely.
she speaks directly into the camera and to the audience.
by far the best, between the four.
PALIN IS NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION!!!
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:15 pm
Haha…Palin just said, “I may not answer your questions.”
Umm…why not?
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:15 pm
And she increased sales taxes in Wasilla.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:15 pm
Jab! Jab!! Jab!!!
“She did not answer!”
OOOOHHHHHH!!! There it is!!!
“I’m not here to debate!!! I’m here to give a speech!“
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:15 pm
Yeah, Gwen Ifill is in the tank…sure…
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:17 pm
Biden is coming off as extremely persuasive.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:17 pm
There’s the strategy! She’s not going to debate… she’s going to use the time to talk to the camera, “reach out to America.”
This is weird.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Middle class focus working for Biden.
It works for him to be fired up and angry at McCain-Bush. I think that will connect
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Biden is right about how badly McCain’s health care plan would screw over the typical American. That $5000 amount does not cover a good family policy.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Palin again isn’t answering the question Ifill asked, but she’s getting her talking points in.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Bridge To Nowhere!!
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Notable line: “I call that the ultimate Bridge to Nowhere.”
Biden really made a great case against McCain’s health care plan and a nice dig at Palin.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:22 pm
That was a good explanation of the idiocy of the McCain plan.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:23 pm
ooh yeah Gwen Ifill trying to get candidates to answer questions.
Biden says McCain healthcare plan is ultimate bridge to nowhere. ouch.
aaaah please pronounce characterize correctly!!!
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Biden is beginning to talk to the camera more, as well. In fact, he seems to be connecting with Ifill, the auditorium, Palin, and the camera.
Okay, new game: Take a shot every time Palin changes the subject.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:25 pm
I really don’t think Palin is helping herself with all this folksy talk. I don’t think people will want to hear that for 4 years.
But good point about the energy plan.
But this line, “How long have I been at this? 5 weeks?”
Ouch.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:25 pm
wait for it….”THANKS BUT NO THANKS”
oh wait she almost said it but did not.
Palin Palin Palin. dodged the questions about what will have to be cut.
she is starting to show herself as a lightweight. wonder if ppl will pick up on it.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Please tell me that Palin and the McCain campaign didn’t really expect us to buy this.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Carack-trize
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Using Palin’s windfall profits tax break against her.
That’s Biden for you folks.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Biden doesn’t dare criticize on the bankruptcy issue too much. He was on the wrong side of that one.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Palin: “The Main Streeters like me.”
Will Main Street think Palin is like them?
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:30 pm
JG: On the Main Street where the households average $1.2 million in assets.
Energy AGAIN?!?!?
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Palin is not bad. Seems she’s holding her own.
oops.
“toxic mess on Mainstreet affecting Wall Street” mistake for Palin.
Biden has got his numbers down. He uses it to contrast his knowledge w/ Palin’s generalities. It ’sounds’ like he knows what he is talking about.
I think ppl do not care about ‘boring’ w/ this economic mess.
okaaaaay. Palin dancing around question againnnnnn.
she could get away w/ it if the couric thing did not happen
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Plain: “East Coast Politicians” in reference to Biden. Ouch. Will he take the bait?
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:30 pm
I wonder if her inability to stick to the current subject will hurt her with some viewers? It’s certainly irritating me.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Palin’s global warming answer starting to tread into Couric territory…
Okay, she’s back on track…whew! White knuckle time for conservatives everywhere.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Oh my God, she’s blowing this one bad. If you don’t discuss the cause of warming you can’t address the problem.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Biden has a nice deadpan look. “Yep… you go right ahead. Let me know if you need some more rope.”
Loved that line from Ifell: “In this next section, I’m happy to talk to you about energy…”
Is Biden’s “man-made” over the top?
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Biden hammers McCain on energy, but he mentioned clean coal. Wonder if Palin will attack his gaffe last week?
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:34 pm
In another time, another situation, Palin may have done better.
The essence of this debate is the backdrop that it is happening against:
1. Financial disaster
This makes boring technical facts comforting. It shows competence.
This makes skirting questions and talking about emotional values unsettling.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Energy focus is good for Palin.
She actually sounds competent.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:38 pm
OUCH!!! Did he really just put same-sex rights in the Constitution???
Granted, I have nothing against that, but it’s not in the Constitution… is it?
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:38 pm
But McCain has supported supposed marriage protection amendments that do eliminate many rights for gays.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:39 pm
hmmm…..
Palin is doing pretty well. these value questions favor her.
Biden is waffling a bit…
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Agreement on no gay marriage.
Ugh.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Here we go, folks… foreign policy
How many times will she say “Russia?”
“Putin?”
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:41 pm
whoa. good answer on iraq… who is this woman?
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:41 pm
As sad as I and many others find it to say that you support gay marriage in this country is still politically toxic. Too damn bad but we’re still years away from real tolerance.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:43 pm
oooh “white flag of surrender” Palin on the attack.
this is make or break time for her. she just went all in
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:44 pm
I think she just lost every anti-war independent who might have been wavering. White flag of surrender? BS!!!
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:44 pm
So, what so far has been Palin’s strongest points? I think energy and Iraq. She also just got Biden on his comment last year that Obama wasn’t ready to be CiC.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:46 pm
yeah she got some good digs in in the iraq exchange.
biden is now playing defense.
while i don’t think this is what mccain needs, so far, Palin is doing very well considering.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:46 pm
How is “Let’s stay in Iraq forever.” strong for the Republicans with today’s public opinion about the war?
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Starting at what have been 15 minutes after the start, I listened to about 15minutes and then I had to stop. Cringeworthy. Palin is a complete and utter train wreck. Everyone who has been saying she’s out of her league (while I was counseling to give her a fair shot in this debate) have in my mind been proven 100% correct.
She rambles, she’s incoherent, she repeats buzzwords in sentences that basically make almost no sense or say nothing meaningful. In my opinion, this election is OVER.
I’m embarrassed for this poor woman. She’s practically dissociating onstage in front of the country.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Biden is starting to take her apart. She’s ALL talking points and no actual substance.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Palin trying hard to get the jewish vote.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Haha, unlikely.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Maverick!
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Not the maverick line again!
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:57 pm
I think Biden just said George Bush five times in 10 seconds.
Drink!
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:57 pm
wait a minute– nukes are dangerous…?
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:59 pm
Nuke-u-ler! Four more years of nuke-u-ler!
Argh.
October 2nd, 2008 at 7:59 pm
The surge strategy from Iraq has nothing even approaching a good chance of working in the radically different environment of Afghanistan. The general Biden is citing is correct.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Haha, Biden keeps bumping his mic.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Biden just said McCain voted against Republicans. Let me say it again, Biden just said McCain voted against Republicans
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Haha…
Let me say that again!
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:05 pm
Biden changed his mind on the Iraq war way before this campaign. But she keeps saying that he’s done things because of it.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:06 pm
From Ambinder…
Woops!
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Here we go…more canned talking points from Palin. This is getting tiring.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Palin is pissing Biden off.
its working!!!
but she is coming off as a lightweight.
oooh heartbeat away question.
niiice
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:08 pm
What has John McCain ever done to prove that he knows how to win a war? He was a POW in a war we didn’t win. Where does that become knowing how to win a war?
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Side question…Where did the nickname “Diamond Joe” come from?
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:09 pm
The emotional sense I’m getting from this debate.
Biden is Passionate.
Palin is Snarky.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Mavericks!!
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:10 pm
The M-word again. Can we stop calling ourselves Mavericks, PLEASE?!?
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:10 pm
I don’t know. The first time I hear it was when Nick Ragone used it a week ago.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:12 pm
“Her reward is in heaven.”
WTF?
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:12 pm
Wasilla, an average everyday town where every man, woman and child gets a hefty check from the state every year and owes no property or income taxes. Alaska, a state that doesn’t face any of the typical budgetary challenges of other states.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Holy crap!!! I think Palin just NAILED the diplomacy question!!
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Yeah, that quip was bizarre. And I say that as a pretty devout Christian.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Whoa! There’s a Couric moment.
Is she reading this from her notes?
Rambling…
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Which diplomacy question?
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:20 pm
They haven’t been a team. They aren’t reformers.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:20 pm
She really doesn’t sound like she sincerely believes what she’s saying.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:22 pm
There she goes again, to borrow the line she borrowed.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Wow. Did Biden just choke up there?
That was a powerful moment.
Meanwhile, Palin is running away from Bush incredibly fast…
And she just said maverick…again.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Biden just dressed down Palin repeating the maverick line and it was effective.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Yes, he did. And anyone who wants to hold that against him can only be described in language you wouldn’t appreciate on here, Justin.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:29 pm
You’re right Jim. On both accounts. :-)
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:29 pm
When she makes some of these claims about her record in Alaska do you wonder what tomorrow’s papers in Alaska will be saying about this debate?
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:31 pm
She doesn’t do herself any favors by bringing up the interviews.
Her closing statement is WEIRD! Vote for John McCain or you won’t be free?
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Well, if history is any indicator, I’m pretty sure I know. But we’ll see.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Yeah, her closing statement was strange and another example of her spouting nonsense.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:33 pm
And we’re done.
What did everybody think?
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:34 pm
At least she didn’t have a problem looking at Biden as she shook his hand.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Biden had some great moments.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Mark Shields describes her as “relentlessly colloquial”.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Honestly, I would be more likely to consider the Democratic ticket if Biden was on the top. I don’t agree with his policies, but I do think he’s solid. Of all 4, he sounded most presidential. He was very good tonight but Palin was not bad either. Good debate overall.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Everybody’s talking about her colloquial talk…specifically David Brooks.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:38 pm
How much will her constantly changing the subject from the actual current question hurt her? Or will it?
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Palin got off to a good start on her 2012 presidential campaign. ;)
Alas, she’s not going to be of much more help to McCain in this campaign; the dynamic has just shifted too much away from her strong suits.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:41 pm
I thought it was CRAZY how much Palin bashed Bush. Amazing, but they’re tied to him regardless of whether they like it or not.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:41 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden#Family_and_early_political_career
Biden lost his first wife and a daughter in a car accident. He eventually remarried, his second wife is a teacher.
I think Palin accidentally put his current wife’s profession with his first wife.
That was the “reward in heaven” comment, I think.
Rachel Maddow thinks Palin’s personality worked against her–too folksy, gimmicky, cartoonish.
Any agreement to that?
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:42 pm
Pat Buchanan is gushing over Palin, in every sense.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Yeah, that was a HUGE gaffe. Yikes.
I do think it works against her, but that’s just me.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:43 pm
It came across as a mask several times. I couldn’t help but think “Tina Fey is subbing for the real Palin tonight.”.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:43 pm
“Reward in Heaven” means that while she does not make much money as a teacher at a thankless job, her good works as a teacher will be rewarded in heaven. Nothing to do with actually dying.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Haha, Drudge has Palin winning by 75% on his poll.
You don’t say!
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:45 pm
What would Maddow know about being folksy?
I live in southeast Missouri, where folks still call it Missour “ah”. It plays pretty well down here.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Personally I just didn’t care for the number of times that she insisted on ignoring the question posed by the moderator.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Ahhh, fair enough. Still, it’s a bit of an “inside” comment. Not her best moment.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:50 pm
BBQ,
OTOH, lots of people there still love Bush and it’s a minority view in most places.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Republican strategist on ABC says Biden really connected with the middle class.
Also, CBS “dialers” had really bad numbers for Palin. About a 3rd of them thought she won, but that means 2/3rds didn’t.
Still, we’ll see.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:52 pm
John Harris from Politico notes the non-answers as well and that it means that if you were “scoring” the debate as these things are normally done for non-political debates she would lose because of it.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Honestly, as is the case usually with the VP debate, I don’t think this will move the needle at all. Biden already appealed to the Republican base and Biden connected with the middle class.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:54 pm
Not as much as you would except to be honest. But yeah it’s mostly GOP country.
It’s a base appeal no doubt, but I doubt it hurts with that many indies. I mean I know it wouldn’t play in my hometown of Madison. But that’s not exactly an independent or even moderate town.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:56 pm
I think it might tilt some more independents away from McCain but not that much.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:56 pm
At this point I’m shocked by how much I am at variance with what the TV and some other folks are saying about Palin. She was just wretched for many stretches.
Folks here know how loud I’ve been about maintaining that Palin deserved a full and fair vetting in this debate. I’ve generally leaned a hair towards being pro-Palin.
Well, I am now officially terrified by the idea that Sara Palin could be our President if McCain won and then say had a stroke. She’s totally not ready for prime time. Incoherent. Squeaky. Whiny. Repetitive.Slogany. Lacking substance and sophistication. Folksy past all bounds of corniness. Phony. Forced.
Did I leave anything out?
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:58 pm
“I really don’t think Palin is helping herself with all this folksy talk. I don’t think people will want to hear that for 4 years.”
I can’t agree more. Seriously, I couldn’t stand listening to her speak for that long. I also think she really ate up a lot of time with empty statements.
A win for Biden.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Weird – I was driving homing and listening to the debate of the radio and I thought she got her ass handed to her in almost every exchange. Then I get home and turn on the tv and read the comments here and its all about how great her folksiness was and how it connected to the folks. Wierd.
Don’t get me wrong…I’ll definitely be voting for McCain/Palin and Obama/Biden are total socialists, but I’m just saying…
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:59 pm
She did dodge a hell of a lot of questions, which I think will be one of the stories tomorrow.
Also, there was a moment where she ALMOST lost it with her followup on her qualifications for the VP and what she would do. Watch for that tomorrow. She was really fumbling there.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Biden was courteous, presidential, knowledgeable, and direct. Palin was scary and weird, and does not seem smart enough to be a 2nd grade teacher let alone a VP of the USA. She looked shaky and scared, and her mouth keeps moving with words coming out that just don’t go together. It’s really bizarre. I asked my son if he could imagine her as president. “Why would she ever be president,” he asked.
October 2nd, 2008 at 8:59 pm
@Kranky: How were you okay with Palin before this debate and against her now? While she was not perfect by any means tonight, she was far better than she has been this last week. Her performance in this debate may not have helped her or McCain, but in no way did it hurt her.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Here’s the thing…at this point she needed to knock it out of the park to help McCain. She didn’t. She merely passed a pass/fail test. It wasn’t enough for her to not suck.
32 days left tomorrow.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:03 pm
This from the non-partisan Taegan Goddard:
Well, there ya go.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:03 pm
I don’t think she passed any test, except that she can stand and talk incoherently for 90 minutes. If that’s the bar we’re using for political readiness, we need to raise the bar
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:06 pm
SPH,
She either dodged or absolutely refused to answer multiple questions. She actually stated that she might not answer some questions. It sounded like a warning of upcoming ignorance.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:16 am
VP Debate- Live Blogging the Live Bloggers. But Wait! You also get the Chicago Cubs Divisional Playoff!…
Justin Gardner at Donklephant: “Good first answer by Palin. And she?s looking into the camera. Biden isn?t. But Biden hits back with the ?fundamentals? line.”…
October 14th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
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