Remember November? Yes? Well, You’ll Want To See This.

By Justin Gardner | Related entries in Elections, Republicans, Video, WTF?

Forgive me, but right now all I can think of is this.



You can almost hear the meeting that this was cooked up in…

“All those in favor of paying homage to a terrorist to rally the anti-government right so they’ll vote for us in November say aye!”

Now, before you claim the same thing that many on the right are saying…that the allusion to Fawkes wasn’t intentional…yeah, I’m sure they weren’t paying any attention to Ron Paul supporters in 2007. I’m sure they didn’t check Google for the words “Remember November”. And none of them saw that movie or read the comic either. All completely innocent…nudge nudge wink wink…sure.

Also, the claim that young staffers did this in house…sure. As long as those staffers spent hundreds upon hundreds of hours learning After Effects and Final Cut Pro. Certainly not impossible, but the suggestion that this was just slapped together by some interns is ludicrous. You don’t entrust novices and cross your fingers when creating something that the entire world will be paying attention to.

Okay, well, I take that back.

By the way…TIME says this about the vid…

One other note, RGA message wizards have intentionally not circulated this video on YouTube or made an embed version of it publicly available. (Swampland asked for, and was granted, special dispensation.) They want people to view it on their site, RememberNovember.com, in the hopes of building a grassroots army.

Ummm…well, here’s the publicly available link to the video. Not too hard to find.

Tip for the wizards…free technology exists where you can host videos on your own site so nobody can embed them on theirs. It’s like magic…only without any actual magic!


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17 Responses to “Remember November? Yes? Well, You’ll Want To See This.”

  1. Chris Says:

    The vimeo vid isn’t working for me, but I’m really happy to find out about the dunning kruger effect. That explains so much. To why people think their corporate jobs are hard, to why my lazy ass is somehow better at what I do than most of the people I’ve come across, all the while assuming that there’s got to be a ton of people who can do a better job than I do… but then I found out they can’t. sweet.

    Does this also explain the “middle class” effect? Where everyone think that they are in the middle class?

  2. Chris Says:

    K the video works in firefox, not in chrome. But anyway, saying that anyone other than a professional or someone with professional talents made that video is laughable. Also laughable is taking a bunch of statements and cutting them together out of context to make a point.

    but that’s at least expected from the republicans, they have nothing else to go on.

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  4. Mike A. Says:

    works in chrome.
    I’m getting tired of fear-based politics.

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  6. mw Says:

    Justin,
    You are kidding right? You object to this video because it might invoke a fighter against religious persecution and oppressive taxation without representation imposed by a tyrannical King of England in 1605???

    “Even more discontent resulted when the King allowed his Scottish nobles to collect the recusancy fines. There were 5,560 convicted of recusancy in 1605, of whom 112 were landowners. The very few Catholics of great wealth who refused to attend services at their parish church were fined £20 per month. Those of more moderate means had to pay two-thirds of their annual rental income; middle class recusants were fined one shilling a week, although the collection of all these fines was “haphazard and negligent”. When James came to power, almost £5,000 a year (equivalent to over £10 million as of 2008) was being raised by these fines… To Father John Gerard, these words were almost certainly responsible for the heightened levels of persecution the members of his faith now suffered, and for the priest Oswald Tesimond they were a rebuttal of the early claims that the King had made, upon which the papists had built their hopes. A week after James’s speech, Lord Sheffield informed him of over 900 recusants brought before the Assizes in Normanby, and on 24 April a Bill was introduced in Parliament which threatened to outlaw all English followers of the Catholic Church.”

    So… If I recall my history, a couple hundred years later, on this side of the pond, there were some others (who’s names escape me now) who also fought against a King of England for the same values. I guess those guys were also terrorists and their names should not be invoked in political advertising. Right?

    It is always the case that one man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist, but to ding this ad on that basis is one heck of a reach. Actually, it is completely absurd.

    I like this ad. I don’t find anything particularly inaccurate or beyond the pale in the piece. Did Obama and the Dems ignore the will of the American people by passing Obamacare? Yes they did – a majority opposed that legislation. Is there corruption in the Democratically controlled Congress and in the process used to pass Obamacare, the stimulus package, and the three budget bill with 8,000 to 9,000 earmarks each? Absolutely. Is our government in far worse financial condition and closer to bankruptcy due to massive increases in spending and deficits by the Obama administration that far exceed even the fiscally irresponsible Bush administration? Certainly and unarguably true. Do these things endanger the future of our country? I believe they do. Those are exactly the points made in this video.

    I’m not saying the Republicans did not do the same things when they were in power. They did. I’m saying the Democrats have proven to be as bad or worse than Republicans when they have all the keys, and since they are the ones in power now, they represent a far greater danger than the politically impotent GOP clowns. This piece does a good job of making exactly that point about Obama and the Dems. Well done.

    I think the real problem that the left has with this ad, is the simple fact that it is well done and very effective making exactly these points in a clear, strong, and dramatically compelling way. Shocking for a GOP effort. I applaud the creators. Thanks for posting it, Justin.

  7. Mike A. Says:

    MW

    If I repeatedly tell “the people” your lives will be in danger for any (and I mean ANY) ridiculous reason, then someone tries to pass a bill allowing that ridiculous reason, how do you think that would polll? Don’t know about you, but I’ve seen a complete lack of critical thinking in our nation, with the people’s opinions bouncing back and forth led by partisan polls, misleading statements and outright lies. Internationally we’re not gonna get our asses kicked because we’re not good at math and science. It’s going to be because we don’t know how to evaluate data. It’s unfortunate, but regardless of the outcome, I question any poll claiming to show the true nature of “the people’s will”.

    I am interested, as my will was not violated, does anyone have summary polls on the health care bill that show the majority of knowledgeable people (nothing elitist..just people who read, for example) were against the bill when asked non-leading questions by an impartial, respected polling agency? If so, can those polls be interpreted in different ways?

    Also are you claiming the process to pass Obamacare illegal, or improper? There is a difference.

    Considering our nation has been trending poorly for some time, and yes there are some residual significant effects from the last presidency (still can BOB), are you really claiming that within the last 1.5 years, Obama and the democrats have “killed once made us a great nation?” as the video claims? What part of or great nation has been killed in the last 1.5 years? The (potentially) fraudulent banking practices? The predatory credit card practices, the zero value-added profiteering of Wall Street investors, the decline of manufacturing and the explosive rise of imports and power from China (which we gave freely for cheap crap), the plummeting value in the middle classr 401k and IRA’s, the plunge in value of single family homes, the incredible cost of a “good” education that makes many people burn through their life savings so their children can have the same opportunities their parents did two generations ago? MW – which great nation are you referring to? The one 2 years ago, or the one 30 years ago?

    I am not an advocate of democrats, but I now abhor the republican party that I was once a member of. To blame where we are on Obama is ridiculous. To claim to know were we’ll be in 4 to 8 years time is equally ridiculous.

    Those who say we live in the greatest nation ever, need to look at the trajectory we’ve been on for some time. Great, yes…but we are rapidly losing ground. And demanding greater collaboration from our leaders, rather than stirring up feelings of militant rage, seems a more constructive use of patriotism. It’s about time someone got in there and did something more that waging war and cutting taxes for the rich.

  8. Mike A. Says:

    Sorry for the rant….I’m becoming an old curmudgeon.
    Also sorry for the numerous spelling errors ..it was early and I was on my first cup.

  9. JimS Says:

    Mike,

    MW has become more and more a Republican since the 2008 election season started and still attempts occasionally to deny it. But he reached the point of being hard core Republican a while back.

  10. Jim S Says:

    And to claim that something that shows Obama saying Yes, we can..

    followed by CORRUPT our Representatives, BANKRUPT our country (implying that their side had nothing to do with it) and END the American Dream

    isn’t over the top and is a job well done…well, I think anyone reading that knows just how partisan the poster is on the side of the Republicans. That isn’t a bad thing. Claiming that’s not what you are even as you prove over and over again that you are a partisan, that’s annoying.

  11. Tully Says:

    Good grief.

    “All those in favor of paying homage to a terrorist to rally the anti-government right so they’ll vote for us in November say aye!”

    Because nothing else in the entirety of history has never happened in November, or will happen next November. So this coming November one should simply ignore those things (whatcha call ‘em? That’s it! Elections!) that happen then because in the same month
    over four centuries ago an inept plotter angered by his co-religionists and neighbors being tortured and executed in various and sundry nasty ways for not renouncing their religion, failed to actually kill anyone? Obviously, if you refer to the elections in November you are supporting terrorists!

    Mentioning to remember that elections are in November is construed as homage to Guy Fawkes? How about homage to the US Marine Corps (born in November)? God forbid we should ever pay homage to the Marine Corps, because they were born in November. Or the Leonids meteor shower.

    Hey, maybe they really meant the Battle of Varna.

  12. Justin Gardner Says:

    mw, I’m going to take this point by point…

    I like this ad. I don’t find anything particularly inaccurate or beyond the pale in the piece.

    Genuinely, I don’t know how you can feel that way.

    Did Obama and the Dems ignore the will of the American people by passing Obamacare? Yes they did – a majority opposed that legislation.

    A majority opposed the legislation as whole when it was deemed Obamacare and was caricatured, but when the legislation was explained and each piece was accurately represented, they favored it.

    Is there corruption in the Democratically controlled Congress and in the process used to pass Obamacare, the stimulus package, and the three budget bill with 8,000 to 9,000 earmarks each? Absolutely.

    Wait…what corruption was used to pass Obamacare? If that’s so, pot…meet the kettle that was used numerous times during the Bush administration. Also, and you know this, earmarks aren’t inherently corrupt. Most represent federal spending that’s filtered down to the local level. And Republicans and Democrats both ask for earmarks in every single bill.

    Is our government in far worse financial condition and closer to bankruptcy due to massive increases in spending and deficits by the Obama administration that far exceed even the fiscally irresponsible Bush administration? Certainly and unarguably true.

    So what would you have the administration do? Address the long term deficit problems with just spending cuts? How fast do you think cutting 500 billion out of Medicare every year would get defeated…by Republicans. The unfortunate situation that we’re in is we have to spend money in order to get ourselves to a place to realize cuts. It’s called investment, and most world class businesses leverage debt in order to address their business needs. We all realize it’s not sustainable, but the solution can’t just be about cutting spending. That’s not how this, or any other first world nation’s economy works.

    Do these things endanger the future of our country? I believe they do. Those are exactly the points made in this video.

    So one year of Obama was more threatening than 8 years of Reagan, 4 years of Bush and 8 years of the younger Bush? You want to gripe about deficits? Start there.

    By the way, the ad is very well produced and will probably resonate. But like most talking points on the right, they’re completely hollow since you can point back to Republicans doing the exact same thing for years. They’re only now getting religion on these topics? Please…

    By the way, you’re toeing the line with endorsing Fawkes’ terrorism. And the American revolution was a national uprising that has a lot more moving parts than just “terrorism.” You’re a smart guy and you know what they’re trying to do here, so please be careful.

  13. Nick Benjamin Says:

    @mw:
    That’s a remarkably biased reading of the situation. Fawkes was not fighting a battle against the English oppressor, he was attempting to murder hundreds of people. He was a terrorist, pure and simple. You can sympathize with the plight of the people he claimed to champion all you want, you cannot compare a failed terrorist to George Washington and get away with it. Period.

    Moreover the point of using the slogan “Remember November” is to demonize Fawkes. It’s the English equivalent of Remember 9/11.

  14. mw Says:

    @nick
    That’s a remarkably biased reading of my comment. I’m afraid your biased characterization of Fawkes would be disputed by the oppressed papists of the day. Your argument is with them, not me. When you call him a terrorist, you are taking sides, nothing more. Funny, you don’t look Anglican.

    Whether you want to accept it or not, the founders of the American revolution were terrorists in the eyes of the British and loyalist Americans. Not to me and not to you of course. We won. Our side got to write the history. But to the Brits of the day – they were terrorist thugs. That is a simple fact. Just pick up a history book. Read about the Sons of Liberty, and the tar and feathering, murders, theft, threats, acts of violence and intimidation that were perpetrated against loyalists and British citizens. You can even find some Brits today who are still pissed off about it.

    To your last point – it actually completely undermines Justin’s thesis. If the creators of the piece were deliberately alluding to Guy Fawkes with the “Remember November” title, then – clearly they were making an anti-Fawkes, anti-terrorism statement.

    Finally, to dis this video because it supposedly invokes the “terrorist” Guy Fawkes is every bit as silly the right-wingers dissing “V for Vendetta” for the same reason in 2006. So if you really want to make that claim – you put yourself in their intellectual company. Enjoy.

  15. mw Says:

    @Jims:

    “And to claim that something that shows Obama saying Yes, we can..allowed by CORRUPT our Representatives, BANKRUPT our country (implying that their side had nothing to do with it) and END the American Dream isn’t over the top and is a job well done…”

    Excuse me. I thought we were discussing a political ad. Oh that’s right. I forgot. In the last election Obama, the Democrats, and their supporters (like Move-on) reset the bar by producing only positive, rigorously factual political ads that never went over the top with overly dramatic productions.

    Get over it. Its a really good ad and par for the course.

    BTW Jim – You are right, I change sides. And I don’t think there is any any point in changing sides unless you really change sides. So when Bush and the Republicans had all the power in 2004 and 2006 I supported Democrats in the hope of limiting and restraining the Reps abuse of that power, demonstrated corruption and fiscal irresponsibility. Now that Democrats have all the power I support Republicans in the hope of limiting and restraining the Dems abuse of that power, demonstrated corruption and even worse fiscal irresponsibility.

    Here is the good news, Jim. I’m beginning to believe that I may soon be able to once again switch sides. Then we can link arms and stand shoulder to shoulder, quaff a gallon of kool-aid, and begin working together to assure the re-election of Barack Obama.

    We can get started just as soon as it is clear the Republicans will re-take the majority in either house of Congress.

    It is my sincere HOPE™ that we will be on the same team soon. Maybe in December.

  16. blackoutyears Says:

    MW, why changes sides at all? If you’re constantly tacking to account for the shift in power (beyond a reasonable suspicion of any party in power) then you’re doing it wrong. But then, considering your recent defense as *principled* of the GOP voting against the very things they were once for when they manned the rudder, you may have stranger ideas about principles than I would have originally thought. Principles, and positions, worth holding shouldn’t require so much realignment based purely on which party is in power. I have no problem criticizing much of what the current Dems are perping, but that doesn’t let the Repubs off the hook for their own issues. It’s not a zero sum game. Bad acting by Dems does not mean good acting by the opposition. And gridlock for gridlock’s sake is getting to be a rather stale argument…

    I’m with you on the Dem ads being just as misleading, but that’s just it, they’re equally misleading. Being an apologist for garbage because it’s *effective* is a sad pass in which to find yourself.

  17. Nick Benjamin Says:

    That’s a remarkably biased reading of my comment. I’m afraid your biased characterization of Fawkes would be disputed by the oppressed papists of the day. Your argument is with them, not me. When you call him a terrorist, you are taking sides, nothing more. Funny, you don’t look Anglican.

    So you’re describing an attempt to assassinate hundreds of innocent people as not terrorism? Pardon me if I disagree. Also pardon me if I think that George Washington, who only killed soldiers, is a much better man than Guy Fawkes.

    And stop trying to get me to take sides on the Reformation-era conflicts. I’m an atheist so I don’t really care about Sola Scriptura. I know enough of the history of period to know that both Protestants and Catholics were brutal. If Bloody Mary had managed to create a Catholic heir, he also would have been King of Spain, and the Spanish Inquisition would have had free reign in England. But she didn’t, so Elizabeth and the Presbyterian Stuarts took over and started persecuting Catholics.

    As for Justin’s original post I disagree. The ad is over-the-top, and over-dramatic, but compared to most of the crap that’s out there (I’m looking at you Demon Sheep) it’s tame.

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