Comments on: How far we have fallen http://donklephant.com/2007/02/27/how-far-we-have-fallen/ Big Teeth. Huge Ass. Surprisingly Reasonable. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:46:37 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: ME http://donklephant.com/2007/02/27/how-far-we-have-fallen/comment-page-1/#comment-246357 ME Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:17:44 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/02/27/how-far-we-have-fallen/#comment-246357 "and it [solitary confinement] doesn’t routinely drive people nuts." Yes, it does. “and it [solitary confinement] doesn’t routinely drive people nuts.”

Yes, it does.

]]> By: Sean Aqui http://donklephant.com/2007/02/27/how-far-we-have-fallen/comment-page-1/#comment-244994 Sean Aqui Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:59:33 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/02/27/how-far-we-have-fallen/#comment-244994 Compared to some of the other provisions -- like expanding warrantless searches, "sneak and peek" warrants, the library records provision, roving wiretaps, broad-net internet searches, administrative subpoenas and so on -- the intelligence-sharing provision is somewhat tame. The controversy is more in the details than the principle. Some opponents have also argued that intelligence sharing was allowable under previous rules, so the Patriot Act provision is unnecessary. Compared to some of the other provisions — like expanding warrantless searches, “sneak and peek” warrants, the library records provision, roving wiretaps, broad-net internet searches, administrative subpoenas and so on — the intelligence-sharing provision is somewhat tame. The controversy is more in the details than the principle. Some opponents have also argued that intelligence sharing was allowable under previous rules, so the Patriot Act provision is unnecessary.

]]> By: DosPeros http://donklephant.com/2007/02/27/how-far-we-have-fallen/comment-page-1/#comment-244960 DosPeros Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:18:11 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/02/27/how-far-we-have-fallen/#comment-244960 Really, I always thought that the violence done to the 4th Amendment visa vi "intelligence sharing" was one of the major objections to the Patriot Act. Oh well, maybe Judge Seidlin can head-up a new terrorist court -- I'm sure he'd find merit in the post-traumatic-bush syndrome. Really, I always thought that the violence done to the 4th Amendment visa vi “intelligence sharing” was one of the major objections to the Patriot Act. Oh well, maybe Judge Seidlin can head-up a new terrorist court — I’m sure he’d find merit in the post-traumatic-bush syndrome.

]]> By: Sean Aqui http://donklephant.com/2007/02/27/how-far-we-have-fallen/comment-page-1/#comment-244906 Sean Aqui Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:26:29 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/02/27/how-far-we-have-fallen/#comment-244906 Intelligence sharing has always been one of the less-controversial aspects of the Patriot Act. While some people ignorantly condemn the entire bill, most people who criticize "the Patriot Act" are referring to its more odious provisions. Intelligence sharing has always been one of the less-controversial aspects of the Patriot Act. While some people ignorantly condemn the entire bill, most people who criticize “the Patriot Act” are referring to its more odious provisions.

]]> By: DosPeros http://donklephant.com/2007/02/27/how-far-we-have-fallen/comment-page-1/#comment-244890 DosPeros Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:04:17 +0000 http://donklephant.com/2007/02/27/how-far-we-have-fallen/#comment-244890 Sean - It is good to see you tacitly supporting the Patriot Act. After all, as Gonzalez points out: <blockquote>The Department of Justice is prosecuting this case in part because prosecutors and law enforcement agents were able to share information and use declassified FISA material from a multi-district intelligence investigation under the provisions of the USA PATRIOT Act. By tearing down the artificial wall that would have prevented this kind of investigation in the past, we’re able to bring terrorists to justice...This investigation has been underway for quite a while now - and has resulted in charges against Padilla, which he will now face in a court of law. If convicted of these charges, he could face a sentence of life in prison.</blockquote> Sean – It is good to see you tacitly supporting the Patriot Act. After all, as Gonzalez points out:

The Department of Justice is prosecuting this case in part because prosecutors and law enforcement agents were able to share information and use declassified FISA material from a multi-district intelligence investigation under the provisions of the USA PATRIOT Act. By tearing down the artificial wall that would have prevented this kind of investigation in the past, we’re able to bring terrorists to justice…This investigation has been underway for quite a while now – and has resulted in charges against Padilla, which he will now face in a court of law. If convicted of these charges, he could face a sentence of life in prison.

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